You Could be Hunting with a Silencer Soon in Texas

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Silencers make hunting easier on the ears, but some control control groups worry about safety.

StateImpact Texas intern Dave Barer contributed research and reporting to this article.
UPDATE: On March 30, the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department approved the use of silencers while hunting in Texas. Read about the new rule here.

Without making much noise, a new proposal is headed to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission. If it passes, hunters in the state will be able to use a silencer when hunting deer, birds, and even alligators.

The Parks and Wildlife Department says the rule change is primarily about protecting hunters’ hearing and maintaining the tranquility of the outdoors.

“Some neighbors don’t want to hear gunshots, and they’re less likely to hear or be disturbed by gunshots through a firearm with a suppressor or silencer attached,” Scott Vaca, TPWD Assistant Chief of Wildlife Enforcement, told StateImpact Texas.

Just how quiet is a firearm with a silencer or suppressor attached?  Well, if you don’t happen to have the equipment at home, you can watch this video to hear the difference a silencer can make.

“A silencer doesn’t make it completely silent, whenever you still use your normal .223 ammo or your .22 ammo or whatever. But it quiets it down quite a bit,” Don Steele, a guide who leads hunting tours in the state, told StateImpact Texas.

Silencers are already allowed in the state for hunting feral hogs (an invasive species that the state is willing to do almost anything to control) and hog hunting is something Steele has a lot of experience with. Despite what Parks and Wildlife says, he says silencers can be useful for more than just ear protection.

“You have an opportunity when you miss to shoot a few more times without everything scattering, running off,” he said.

But you need more than just the silencer to get that advantage. You need the silencer and special ammunition.

“When you use your subsonic ammo, whether its .308 .223, .22, the only thing you hear is the action of the rifle. You don’t hear the bullet,” said Steele.

In case your curious, here’s a video of an AR 15 being fired with a silencer and subsonic ammunition. As the person who uploaded the video writes, “the report of the gun is quieter than the steel being hit at 100 yards.”

Opponents of the rule change argue that a bullet is exactly the sort of thing that people should able to hear.

“I think there should be concerns across the spectrum, from people who are engaging in legitimate hunting activity and who are not able to hear the report of rifle fire from a hunter, or hunters who are not in their group and who don’t have that warning,”  Ladd Everitt, a spokesperson with the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, told StateImpact Texas.  “And then moving everywhere from people hunting on lands they’re not supposed to be, to people using these things for activities they’re not supposed to.”

In fact, the fear that it could encourage poaching is one of the reasons why most hunting with a silencer is currently prohibited in Texas. But Parks and Wildlife’s Scott Vaca says the Department has no actual data to show that silencers pose a risk.

“We did receive a petition for rule-making to do away with the current prohibition, and since we didn’t have any data to support that it was a poaching issue or a resource concern, we went forward with the current proposal,” said Vaca.

Vaca added that the purchase of silencers is costly and strictly regulated by the federal government.

Texas Parks and Wildlife is now taking public comment on the proposal, and will be holding hearings on the plan through this month.

The Parks and Wildlife Commission will review those comments at its March 28th meeting. The commission is expected to vote on the rule change on March 29th.

Comments

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Hardin/1194777283 Matthew Hardin

    America is one of the only places where using sound suppressors have a sinister overtone. Hollywood has the ignorant public convinced that only criminals use “silencers” for nefarious purposes. This isn’t the case at all. Guns are loud, and the anti-gunners often complain about the noise of firearms report, but when you start talking about legislation dealing with suppressors, they come out of the woodwork and complain, just like they do with anything firearms related. They sound like five year old children discussing quantum physics. Clueless! 

    Suppressors were designed with the purpose of reducing noise pollution and are used today to protect the hearing of the shooter. The average thug isn’t going to be using a suppressor, they are prohibitively expensive and highly regulated. On top of the price of the suppressor itself, they are restricted and registered not to mention there’s a $200 tax stamp for each one. Your local sheriff has to sign off on the paperwork before you can even ask the BATFE for permission to own one.
    Those complaining seriously have no idea what they are talking about. Getting quotes from the Coalition To Stop Gun Violence about anything firearms related is just ridiculous! Those guys could care less for facts and just love to spread reactionary BS. If you try and explain their errors they just attack you! They hate it when you offer factual arguments that don’t agree with their OPINIONS. Their opinions are always based on nothing but wild speculation about a subject they have no experience with. Talk to law enforcement firearms instructors or actual hunters. At least they would know what they are talking about.

    • Michael

      Actual hunters huh. . you must not be from Texas. . beer swilling, inbred, white trash rednecks have no business with a gun, much less a silencer

  • Joe Everyman

    Even gun-phobic Britain allows over-the-counter sales of sound suppressors.

    Sound suppressors are safety equipment, and they’re just good manners.

    Allowing their use for hunting is simply common sense.

    • Pike

      Yeah switchblades should be legal too and mustard gas, hell why not let everyone have mini-nukes. .you know how vicious those deer are.  pea brains.

  • MidBosque

    Rather than engage in ad hominem attacks in the comments section, it’s
    better use of time to leave a comment with Texas Parks and Wildlife. 

    The public comments period with Texas Parks and Wildlife runs through March 30 and can be submitted at the linked web page.  When you arrive at that TPW page scroll down to the Proposed Rules section and select Hunting Regulation Proposals.  That will open another page and on that page you’re looking for “Lawful Means” passage on the proposal. 

    Now, I crawl back into the woodwork.

    http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/business/feedback/public_comment/

  • Brandon

    Funny how gun proponents always find ways to justify their ideas while denouncing opponents as extremists.

  • M. Jupiter

    This is the DUMBEST idea Ive ever heard of, watch the Homicide rate skyrocket, when you hear a gun go off in the woods, you know to stay away and you can tell what direction its coming from, this is a blanket license to kill without punishment, its bad enough so called “hunters” have to lure deer by putting out feed for them instead of using skill to hunt them. This is a PUBLIC ENDANGERMENT I live in Texas and it’s full of uneducated people swilling beer and taking guns onto other peoples private property, Rick Perry is once again out of touch and should be impeached for public endangerment. I can hear the lawyers getting rich off of this one. “Have you or a loved one been the victim of a Redneck hunting accident, you may be entitled to compensation”  GROW UP CHILDREN.

    • Supressorhunter

      I am jumping up and down!!!  I now get to hunt deer with a supressor!!!  I don’t have to wear ear protection, because I will legally be able to use the supressor that I paid $1000 for, waited 6 months for approval from the US government for, paid them their $200 tax stamp fee, had to get my local sheriff to sign off on, and go through background checks to obtain.  AND you think I’m a criminal, redneck, or a child.  YOU grow up, and understand that guys like me are the most law abiding, patriotic, and most conscientious folks around.  I hunt on either MY property, leased property, or friend’s property.  100% lawful, and legally obtained game animals for me.  Don’t try to throw your anti hunting, anti gun BS on me.  You don’t like it, don’t do it. For me………..I believe there is room for all of God’s creatures, RIGHT next to the mashed potatoes!!!!

      Yummy!!!   and now it’s quieter to do it!!!  So you won’t know when I shoot an animal next door to you!!!    Na na na na na!!!!

  • yesss

    i think you should have to register it when you buy it and if you sell it it needs to be transfer but this is a good thing for hog hunting one shot they skater atleast with this in effect

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