The SvĆnafellsjƶkull glacier in Iceland. Glacial retreat is among the most visible impacts of climate change. Since the early 20th century, with few exceptions, glaciers around the world have been retreating at unprecedented rates.
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Why one writer says coronavirus is like climate change on steroids
Reid R. Frazier is an energy reporter for The Allegheny Front, a Pittsburgh-based public media outlet covering the environment in Pennsylvania. His work has aired on NPR and Marketplace.
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The SvĆnafellsjƶkull glacier in Iceland. Glacial retreat is among the most visible impacts of climate change. Since the early 20th century, with few exceptions, glaciers around the world have been retreating at unprecedented rates.
If youāve been following climate change, the coronavirus pandemic will feel oddly familiar these days. Countries, including the U.S., have implemented radical policies that would have been unthinkable a few weeks ago to slow the spread of the virus. Is this what it will take to solve the climate crisis?
On the latest episode of our Trump on Earth podcast, one climate reporter and writer says the coronavirus pandemic canāt be separated from the coming climate crisis. Last yearĀ Emily AtkinĀ launched theĀ HEATEDĀ newsletterĀ which, in her words, is for people who are pissed off about climate change.
Atkin has now turned Heated into a podcast series about the intersection of climate change and coronavirus. Itās running on the podcast feed forĀ DrilledĀ (another climate-related podcast you should be listening to). She spoke with one of the Trump on Earth podcast host, The Allegheny Frontās Reid Frazier.
Reid Frazier: Tell me about the podcast series and why you decided to do it.
Emily Atkin:Ā I was sitting here watching this global crisis take over society, politics and our lives. And I was confused about how I should be approaching it as a climate journalist. I knew there were clear parallels: Itās a problem that threatens millions of lives across the world. Scientists are telling us to act very rapidly and quickly, and yet weāre not doing that. I wanted to talk to really smart people about that. I figured I might as well record [those conversations] and make it available for other people to listen to so that we could all figure it out together.
RF: If youāve followed climate change you know that this is a massive problem that requires collective action on an unprecedented scale. Thereās a lot of resistance built-in; resistance to changing our behaviors and our systems. How do you see those problems as similar? Do you see big differences in how these problems manifest themselves or how they need to be looked at?
EA:Ā I think the differences are good to get out of the way first. Coronavirus is obviously hugely different in that it is much faster and the impacts to human life are much more urgent. I think weāre all going to see people close to us either financially affected or affected in their health. This is touching every aspect of our lives very obviously right now, whereas climate change is touching every aspect of our life right now, too, but itās a little less obvious day-to-day.
The other thing is that with coronavirus, we donāt have as big of an industry whose whole livelihood depends on the crisis keeping going. The pharmaceutical industry will be fine coronavirus or not. The fossil fuel industry will not be fine if we solve climate change because there will be no fossil fuel industry.
But the big similarities here are that climate change is a problem that wonāt be solved unless we take really radical action very quickly on a global scale. It canāt be done without the biggest nations on Earth. Itās a problem where millions of lives are threatened; not only lives, but society in general. Itās a problem where we have to listen to scientists. There are no compromises based on biology or physics. Carbon dioxide warms the atmosphere. If we want the atmosphere to stop warming, we need to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide. Just the same, coronavirus is a virus that attacks ourselves and thatās why we need to stay away from each other. Itās basic science and physics.
There are also some social similarities: a reluctance to admit to the scale of the problem as we know it. I think we saw that with coronavirus, where we all knew it was happening, but we were like, ābut itās not going to affect me and I donāt really have to do anything.ā Coronavirus is basically just climate change sped up 10 times over. Itās like climate change on steroids.
RF: As you mentioned, thereās this resistance to listening to what the scientists are telling us. With climate change, you can basically get away with that for years. That is that the terrible thing about climate change āthe ramifications of our actions (or inaction wonāt be felt until the next generation. But, with coronavirus, itās like three weeks.
EA:Ā Thereās plausible deniability, too. When it comes to climate change, deaths are happening now. Someone you love could be really affected by a hurricane or drought or a flooding event or heatwave. But thereās some part of your brain that you could compartmentalize and say that it wasnāt climate change. Itās not like coronavirus where if they die from coronavirus, they die from coronavirus.
I think thatās an important distinction to make when weāre talking about who is going to be affected by climate change. Itās not that people are going to see the effects down the line; itās that people are going to start admitting to themselves that these are the effects down the line.
Weāve all focused our attention on this one thing. But climate change hasnāt stopped. Itās still happening and our efforts to combat it have just slowed. The fossil fuel industry is trying to take advantage of the crisis and make sure they can survive when this is done. These are all things that we need to keep in mind as weāre self-isolating and trying to deal with this crisis. Itās not that weāve replaced one crisis for the other, itās that now we have two to deal with.
RF: Thereās been an effort from environmental groups and some in the Democratic Party to infuse any recovery package with green policies, almost like to kickstart a Green New Deal. What have you made of the debate about whether any recovery package should incentivize decarbonization or ramp up renewables?
EA:Ā It doesnāt seem unrelated to me. If society were gonna go where we wanted it to go anyway, which is where we donāt die from four degrees Celsius of warming, we need a mass investment in green jobs. Thatās not just renewable energy jobs, thatās things like planting mangrove trees and restoring ecosystems. So if weāre going to put two trillion dollars in revitalizing the economy, why not create an economy that is more resilient to global threats, especially as weāre facing a global threat?
Also, if we had the opportunity to spend trillions of dollars revitalizing the economy and in the process could not only save millions of lives from coronavirus, but could save millions of lives from climate change, creating a better society thatās more sustainable, why wouldnāt we do that?
RF: I think for a lot of people, weāre just not used to government telling us things that we can and canāt do in this countryāclosing restaurants, telling people to stay homeāall these things that a month ago would have been unthinkable.
Do you see a shift in the way we see government or the things that become allowable because of this crisis? I mean, if weāre straight up just giving Americans twelve hundred dollars to just survive and giving industries hundreds of billions of dollars to survive, will a Green New Deal, or something like it, become more politically acceptable?
EA:Ā Americansā ability to forget things that have happened and keep up with the status quo is very strong. However, what I would hope comes out of this situation in terms of changing our way of thinking is that we understand the difference between sacrifices you make while you still have time to prevent a problem and sacrifices you make when you were in the thick of a problem.
If weāre going to solve climate change, we will have to make sacrifices. The policies that we put in place now to prevent crises later are going to mean that some things are going to be weird and uncomfortable and take getting used to it. Itās going to radically change the costs of certain foods, how much we use public transportation, how much our taxes are. Itās going to be uncomfortable and itās gonna suck, but itās way less uncomfortable than the changes that climate change would force us to make in the moment.
Iāve been covering climate science for long enough to know that if we reach three degrees Celsius, the world is going to look awful. The things that weāre going to have to do to try and reverse that in real-time are not going to be pretty. So letās make these sacrifices now so that we all have a better chance of survival when weāre a little bit down the line.
StateImpact Pennsylvania is a collaboration among WITF, WHYY, and the Allegheny Front. Reporters Reid Frazier, Rachel McDevitt and Susan PhillipsĀ cover the commonwealth’s energy economy. Read their reports on this site, and hear them on public radio stations across Pennsylvania.
Climate Solutions, a collaboration of news organizations, educational institutions and a theater company, uses engagement, education and storytelling to help central Pennsylvanians toward climate change literacy, resilience and adaptation. Our work will amplify how people are finding solutions to the challenges presented by a warming world.