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Landowners brace for start of tree-felling by Constitution Pipeline builders

Shale gas pipeline like this in Zelienople is scheduled for construction across Susquehanna County.

Keith Srakocic / AP Photo

Workers install a shale gas pipeline in Zelienople, Butler County.

Landowners in Susquehanna County prepared for a last-minute confrontation with tree-felling crews who were expected to begin clearing forest on Friday to make way for the planned Constitution Pipeline to take natural gas from Pennsylvania’s Marcellus Shale into New York State.

Opponents of the tree-clearing plan said three landowners in New Milford Township have not accepted offers of compensation from the pipeline operators, and have lost their challenges to the company’s assertion of eminent domain to build the pipeline on their land.

The tree-felling, which critics said was due to begin at 7 a.m. Friday, was approved by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission on January 29 as part of an implementation plan for construction of the 124-mile pipeline, which begins in Northeast Pennsylvania’s Susquehanna County. Most of the line would be built in New York State.

The land that is due to be cleared includes about five acres of a 23-acre New Milford lot that has been owned by Catherine Holleran and her family since the 1950s.

In the last seven years, the family has been operating a commercial maple syrup operation from the trees on the land, and they say the tree felling would destroy the equipment set up for this year’s harvest at a time of year when the sap is flowing from the trees.

A federal judge in Scranton ruled in March 2014 that a portion of Holleran’s land should be condemned under eminent domain, allowing the pipeline company to move ahead with its plans for construction.

Holleran, 59, a teacher, said she had not accepted an offer of compensation from the company but she had been told the tree-felling would go ahead anyway. She declined to say how much the company had offered.

“They are not supposed to do any construction until there’s actual compensation,” she told StateImpact. “No compensation has been awarded yet because we still have to determine that at the end of this whole process, but this past week they got a partial motion to proceed, saying that it was OK for them to come through with un-mechanized cutting, which is just guys with chain saws.”

Whenever they arrive, the crews are expected to face a protest by opponents such as environmental groups whose members were arriving at the Holleran property on Thursday, said Holleran’s daughter, Megan.

Megan Holleran, an archaeologist who works part-time in the syrup-harvesting business, said she didn’t know what form the protest would take but she hoped it would remain peaceful. “We are trying to keep this very civil and very calm,” she said.

Cutting trees on the Pennsylvania portion of the route could be premature because New York State has yet to issue all its permits, she said.

In a path along the southern part of Pennsylvania, some other landowners are fighting eminent domain actions by Sunoco Logistics to build its 350-mile Mariner East 2 pipeline across many parcels of private land.

Christopher Stockton, an spokesman for the Williams Companies, one of the builders of the pipeline, said the company has made plans to deal with any protest.

“We are coordinating with local authorities to ensure that our tree-felling work can be conducted in a safe manner and that members of the public are protected,” Stockton said. He declined to specify the timing of the felling operation but said the earliest it could begin would be Friday.

Stockton said the company considered the Holleran family’s request to reroute the pipeline to an adjacent lot to the west of their land, but rejected the option because the presence of a quarry there created technical challenges.

Still, he said the company had altered its plans in response to the family’s request.

“In an attempt to accommodate the landowner, we did relocate the line to follow the western end of the property boundary for much of the crossing to minimize impacts,” he said.

Stockton declined to say how much the company had offered the Hollerans for the easement on their land but argued that it had dealt “fairly” with all landowners, and in many cases had offered “two or three times” the appraised value of the land.

Critics contend that the pipeline industry has taken an unyielding approach to landowners who stand in its way.

“It’s significant that the industry is no longer interested in negotiating with landowners,” said Alex Lotorto, Shale Gas Program Coordinator for Energy Justice Network, a grassroots group that represents communities in their dealings with polluters.

Lotorto argued that individual landowners have little chance of beating the combined forces of the gas industry and FERC, which is often accused of rubber-stamping the industry’s plans.

“If you disagree with their offer, your land gets seized by the federal government,” he said.

Megan Holleran said FERC had approved the pipeline project with little regard for local objections, and had concluded that its benefits outweighed negative impacts on landowners such as her family.

“We’ve never got any indication that our concerns are being truly considered,” Megan Holleran said.

Tamara Young-Allen, a spokeswoman for FERC, denied that the agency had ignored the concerns of pipeline opponents, and noted that it had received a motion to stay the tree-felling by Holleran and Lotorto.

Young-Allen said she could not comment on when the commissioners might consider the motion, and said that anyone who is unhappy with a commission decision can take the matter to a federal appeals court.

Comments

  • env121

    This is wrong on every level!!! These people don’t deserve this!

    • LSDial

      what do they deserve? the pipeline will cross their land at the edge of their property. the pipe will be buried about 36″ underground. the people can use the surface for almost any purpose they want. they cannot build a house on it but they can farm it. plus they will receive fair market value or more for the land.

      • prothopectore

        ever hear about Enbridge? how about when their pipeline broke and all the people within miles had to be relocated.
        Kalamazoo River Oil Spill July 2010. Over 1,000,000 gallons of tar sands.
        just how prepared is the industry for a massive spill?
        Enbridge has spent $1,000,000,000 over three years to try and clean it up.
        seems no matter the money and time frame they cannot clean it up. ;)

        • LSDial

          yes I have heard of them and it is apples and oranges. the Constitution pipeline is a natural gas pipeline. high pressure natural gas. Enbridge is an oil pipeline.

          • prothopectore

            hear about the massive methane gas leak at Porter Ranch out in LA yet? 110,000lbs. of Methane gas per hour released into the environment in Aliso Canyon, California.
            what about the Radon entrained in the methane? so your gonna tell me now radon is harmless? and methane isn’t so harmless either. whoops, almost forgot the benzenes and mercaptans. ;)

          • John Henders

            This is a pipeline, not like the Aliso Canyon ‘natural gas storage facility’, where Porter Ranch leak is. A pipeline can be shut down should a pipe leak ever start.

          • prothopectore

            and back we go the Enbridge oil spill situation;) 18 hours went by with the ruptured pipeline spewing its contents everywhere before anyone took the alarms going off at corporate as a real situation. they had initially thought the line was clogged, so they had upped the pressures in the pipe to try and “clear out the stoppage”.
            it took a real person to verify and notify Enbridge of the disaster.
            we are going to take our country back from the monied politically connected greedy bastards.
            the truth, not your stocks n’ bonds in the gas industry, will set you free;)

          • John Henders

            Oil & Gas are different, especially with the Kalamazoo spill. ANY ‘spill’ is never accepted, does that make all suppliers ‘greedy bastards’?

          • prothopectore

            it’s the energy industry. they like the bottom line profits. who really cares if people get cancer and get sick. not the oil or gas industry. and im not saying that we don’t need energy. but it’s the 21st century. we can develop new technologies. we seem to be stuck in an old world way of thinking. the bp horizon gulf well spill is just a memory to everyone except the locals down there. it was an outrage for a couple months then it just went away I guess. the fukushima daiichi ongoing disaster made news for like a day or two then it went away under the rug….even though it’s still ongoing. and yes, if a supplier refuses to minimize their environmental impact and refuses to recognize private property then yes it makes them greedy bastards. then you’ll bring up the electrical power transmission lines and towers that cut through every county being necessary for people to live a normal life. but an electrical power line just is not an oil or gas pipeline. it’s it catastrophically fails the worst that can happen is a fire. the worst that can happen to oil n’ gas pipelines is orders of magnitude worse.
            we dreamed too fast. we don’t realize unintended consequences sometimes materialize in the most monstrous ways. we don’t know what we had until we don’t have it anymore. whimper whimper sigh sigh.

          • Bruce Baxter

            still a pipe that the gas company was to cheap to fix the valve. SAFETY FIRST my ass

          • Bruce Baxter

            how about Porter Ranch Ca. 1000s of homes inhabitable since October. theres apples asshole

          • LSDial

            as has been pointed out previously, it is still apples and oranges. porter ranch is a gas well and from what I see above a storage cavern, it is not a pipeline. natural gas pipelines are built with a pressure sensing control valve every few miles, if a rupture happens the valves close automatically. if they fail then the next one in the line close and if they all fail, the compressors shut down. it is not fool proof and it is not totally safe. but it is a lot safer than transporting compressed natural gas by train.

          • Bruce Baxter

            so many TAXPAYER funded valve replacements, so much FAILURE, where did the money go? where is the government oversight? My guess is the politicians and their families got ” 6 figure noshow jobs” to look the other way. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/angie-cordeiro/monitoring-money-and-meth_b_9163538.html.

          • LSDial

            how do you propose transporting a billion cubic feet of natural gas 500 miles? While I fully support solar and wind energy, what do we do until we have enough solar and wind to replace coal, oil and natural gas?

          • Bruce Baxter

            These pipes are for EXPORT

      • Ed

        No, they cannot farm by normal methods. Use of machines to dig or till the land is prohibited over buried utilities. If they want to farm over the pipeline they will need to use shovels by hand.

        • littlebuddy1

          Yes you can farm over a pipeline with normal methods but not a tree farm. If a right of way is left to nature it will be cleared twice a year.

          • LSDial

            actually they may mow the right of way about once every two years.

        • John Henders

          Wrong genius. Pipeline under buried ground which is consider a farm field is placed deeper so farmers can plow it.

          • Bruce Baxter

            wrong, I grow Christmas trees for 30+ years. they stole it. put me out of business

        • Brian Gabriel Comeaux

          Absolutely not true. Pipeline goes in below plow depth, and farming over the right of way is allowed. Not a whole lot of plowing done anymore anyway, but the pipes go in below plow depth anyway. Can’t normally plant trees or put permanent structures on the right of way, though.

      • hmontaigne

        They can’t get maple syrup where there are no trees.

      • Bruce Baxter

        fair market value? I was “offered” $3000 take it or EMINENT DOMAIN for a tax assessed $350,000 working farm

      • env121

        They cannot plant maple trees on it.

  • elise

    We are also bracing for the same thing along the Sunoco Mariner 2 route. It is so awful to be in this position where your government has sold you out to a corporation and you are left to defend your land and the constitutional rights of all Pennsylvanians against that corporation. These cases are such a blatant abuse if eminent domain law. It’s not the government taking your land for some public benefit. It’s a corporation taking your land for their own private financial gain while the government stands by and allows it to happen. “We the people” have to stand up for ourselves. I hope people realize the insanity behind being dragged off your own property in handcuffs for doing nothing more than trying to prevent the theft of that land and the destruction of your livelihood.

    • floridanativee

      This has been going on since the invention of electricity. How do you think they get power from the wind and solar plants to the cities except power distribution lines are much more intrusive than under ground pipelines. People on the other end use that gas to stay alive,

      • elise

        The proposed pipelines we are resisting would carry NGLs (Not LNG) which are not used for home heating/energy. They are used to make plastic. Sunoco has contracts with two European petrochemical companies (INEOS and BOREALIS) to buy the NGLs and has shown no proof in court of projected use in domestic markets. So no, we are not trying to cut of anyone’s home heating fuel.

        • floridanativee

          Are you sure? They say the following on their website,

          “”"”"The approximately 124-mile Constitution Pipeline has been designed with a capacity to transport 650,000 dekatherms of natural gas per day (enough natural gas to serve approximately 3 million homes). Buried underground, the 30-inch pipeline will extend from Susquehanna County, Pa., to the Iroquois Gas Transmission and Tennessee Gas Pipeline systems in Schoharie County, N.Y. The pipeline route stretches from Susquehanna County, Pa., into Broome County, N.Y., Chenango County, N.Y., Delaware County, N.Y., and terminates in Schoharie County, N.Y.”"”"”"”"”"”"”".

          • elise

            I’m not along the constitution pipeline, As I said in my first comment, I’m along the Mariner East 2 proposed pipeline. So yeah, I’m sure.

          • Fracked

            isn’t there a deal with Japan?

          • http://www.moonbattery.com Bodhisattva

            Note how her answer is nonresponsive to the actual question asked.

          • http://www.moonbattery.com Bodhisattva

            I am not full up on what you & “elise” are discussing, but in this narrow case she seems to be talking about the Mariner East 1 and 2 lines, not mentioned in this article, while you’re talking about the Constitution Pipeline, the subject of this article.

            While I do not side with her – actually I’m not yet taking a position on THOSE lines – I am thinking both cases are to some extent at least the usual opposition to progress that we typically see.

            For more on the lines she brought up, see http://www.sunocologistics.com/Customers/Business-Lines/Natural-Gas-Liquids-NGLs/NGL-Projects/208/

        • Dutchman61

          About 40% of the NGL’s will be processed to separate the constituents and exported as a refined product. The rest is going to US users replacing oil based chemicals. The impact is huge for the older chem plants and about 20,000 jobs will be saved. I work in the chem plants and it is a very important step. NGL’s also includes propane which is still widely used for heating in the mid-Atlantic region. About 25-30% of the region’s future propane will come in via the Mariner 2 line.

      • Brian Gabriel Comeaux

        Cold kills, and Vera Scroggins and her bunch of modern day Luddites wage war on the poor and elderly with their tactics. It is the poor and the elderly who suffer the most from high energy costs.

        • hmontaigne

          That’s the company’s fault, not the environmentalists’. Maybe they shouldn’t be so greedy. Maybe they should turn their sights on clean energy R&D instead of gas and oil.

    • Dutchman61

      And what was your position on the Kelo vs. City of New London case back in 2005? That case opened the door to use eminent domain for virtually anything the government wants, although the use of eminent domain for oil, gas railroads and highways goes back to WW2.

      • benevolent_dictator

        The danger of precedent law is that other plaintiffs use it as a basis to reason/judge and if the original precedent was flawed then it opens the door to replicate bad law. How do the defendants undermine precedent law? They can’t. The basis of reason then alters the paradigm and has far reach consequences that undermine the US Constitution and the liberty of the individual.

    • http://www.moonbattery.com Bodhisattva

      Well I for one blame it on people who keep voting for/electing big-government favoring liberal/Democrats. Though mind you I don’t say the Republicans are not also guilty to some extent, particularly the RINOs.

      Now I want to know what happens to the land once the pipes are in. Do the original owners get to reclaim it for their own historic uses with only some sort of access easement for monitoring/maintaining/servicing the pipeline? In this case, of course it would be AFTER trees are replanted and grown, hence the compensation for the time period that represents lost use.

      • elise

        You cant replant trees or any other perennials on a pipeline ROW. The maple farmers would lose that section of their property for this use forever.

        • http://www.moonbattery.com Bodhisattva

          I thought that might be the case, which leads to one of my other questions, or the basis for it – how much were they to be compensated for the loss? The final key question I had about the one family was just how big were their land holdings – does this taking really represent something that will do them significant, lasting damage or do they have enough other land with trees that it won’t be that big a deal in the long run?

          • elise

            Although I am not an expert on the holleran family’s case, it’s my understanding that the hollerans werent compensated yet. Also any payments from these pipeline companies (Williams or Sunoco for example) are one-time payments while the loss of property use by landowners is perpetual. Landowners continue to pay taxes on property while the pipeline company profits off of it. There aren’t “royalty” payments while they continually profit for years to come.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/veraduerga Vera Scroggins

    come join us and stand with the families in our county today and thru the weekend, 2131 Three Lakes Rd., New Milford , Pa. 18834; thanks for the article and this needs to be stopped.

    • floridanativee

      Are you the same lady that has been arrested so many times in PA?

      • Barry Rose

        yo go girl ! this jackasz needs to go back to Rick Scott terrorist state of Florida

      • http://williamahuston.blogspot.com/ William Huston

        No. I am not aware any time Vera was arrested. You must be confusing her with someone else.

        • floridanativee

          There is a neat site called Google where you can look up just about anything and not look so stupid,
          http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/16/vera-scroggins-fracking-activist-fines-jail-cabot-oil-gas

          http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jan/29/vera-scroggins-fracking-activist-pennsylvania

          http://naturalgasnow.org/vera-scroggins-contempt-peace-court/

          There ae many more. She even films herself breaking into frack sites and post them on youtube.

          • http://williamahuston.blogspot.com/ William Huston

            Google! Well, who knew? You are clearly intellectually superior to me, floridanativee. The only problem is, none of those links supports your argument that Vera has been arrested “many times” in PA.

            I hesitate to make a wager with someone who uses a fake name, but here goes: I will wager you $50 that you CANNOT find me ONE SINGLE INSTANCE where Vera has been arrested in PA. And if you cannot, then you must pay me $50. Heck, let’s make it $100 or $1,000. You name it.

            PS: to accept, you must a) identify your real name, and b) you may only cite authentic news sites, and not industry-funded smear sites like Shepston’s blog. The words of Gas Shills does not count as an authentic news source.

            How about it?
            (I’m already thinking about how I’m going to spend my money!)

          • floridanativee

            I didn’t give you a complete list, I just posted the top 3 from Google. I really don’t care. I have been watching her online for years. Not sure of the laws up there (You said PA, no me). Here is the complete link and you can look them up yourself. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS400&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Vera+Scroggins+arrest

          • http://williamahuston.blogspot.com/ William Huston

            OK, now i’m convinced you are a gas shill. This is what they do. They’ll say “XYZ!”, and then you show them that “XYZ isn’t true at all, and they come back with, “I never said that!”

            Oh yes you did. Look up, genius. Here are your exact words: “Are you the same lady that has been arrested so many times in PA?”

            If you tell a lie with the intent to harm someone’s character, that is A CRIME. You can use a fake name, but that will not protect you.

            The fact is, Vera has (to my knowledge) NEVER been arrested. Not PA, not anywhere. She is a close friend whom I have known for many years. So do me a favor and STFU. You have no idea what you are talking about. I hope StateImpact deletes your baseless and defamatory charge.

          • floridanativee

            She has been involved in illegal protest and I know she was told by a judge in a trial not to go close to Cabot. She videoed herself touring some outsiders through Cabot afterwards. From you tone, I suspect you are like her. You seem to believe everybody who doesn’t think like you is a oil and gas shill. Well, I am still waiting on my first check.

          • http://williamahuston.blogspot.com/ William Huston

            No that is not correct. Vera *may* attend rallies at times (I guess what you could call a “protest”), but that is not why Cabot is after her. Vera is a documentary videograapher. She has had a show on Public Access TV for a decade or more. She was a a founding member of the Binghamton IMC. She has had a radio show. She is a journalist and a researcher. She also gives tours of the realities of fracking, pipelines, and compressors. She has given tours for (guessing) between 500 and 1,200 people from all over the world, from all walks of life: Australia, Belgium, Japan, Germany, France, UK, Canada, Russia. Journalists, Farmers, Senators, Members of Parliament, Teachers, Physicians, Celebrities.

            These things you are saying about here are false, saying she has been arrested many times, that she is a protester. These are slurs. Incorrect.

            Vera has a legion of Paid Industry Shills and Bullies stalking her online and saying horrible, slanderous things. Things like you are saying.

            If you are not a shill, then consider using your real name. What do you have to hide?

            And PLEASE, stop speaking from ignorance. Speak from your own experience. Don’t just parrot stupid, harmful, lies that you read on Tom Shepstone’s blog. Thanks

          • floridanativee

            I must say, you have a very vivid imagination. I have seen the video about the judge telling her to not trespass on Cabot property and film and I have seen her video doing it.I have no clue about the Shepstone deal, but will look him up Thanks. This is our last conversation.

          • floridanativee
          • floridanativee

            This is straight from the court records. Thanks,. Vera isn’t on my radar screen anyway. You have a nice evening and this for sure is our last conversation. http://naturalgasnow.org/trespassgate-loser-vera-scroggins-declares-victory/

    • digitrack

      I see you live in a you,you,world too.

    • mike the truth

      ill be standing with a chainsaw

      • Barry Rose

        you are a freakinf aszhole as well POS TERRORISTpunkasz

        • mike the truth

          your just a dumb ass there is very low impact to land owners

          • Barry Rose

            look in the mirror, bought whore boy

    • FNLED

      God Bless you Vera.
      Corporate Socialism will be defeated with leadership like yours.

  • http://williamahuston.blogspot.com/ William Huston

    I happen to know that people from as far away as Western Mass are coming to stand with the Hollerans and any other impacted landowners who were coerced. This is Williams/Cabot’s biggest PR mistake ever.

  • http://williamahuston.blogspot.com/ William Huston

    I happen to know that people from as far away as Western Mass are coming to stand with the Hollerans and any other impacted landowners who were coerced. This is Williams/Cabot’s biggest PR mistake ever.
    https://facebook.com/OccupyTheConstitutionPipeline/
    https://www.facebook.com/events/1519906745006626/
    https://facebook.com/energyjustice/photos/a.386603714742462.83855.120146491388187/973773689358792/?type=3&source=54

    • LSDial

      LOL, sorry Wiliam this is hardly Williams biggest PR mistake. it may only be the most recent.

  • Bruce Baxter

    I like the way Stockton says; we pay 2 to 3 times what the land is worth. My tax appraisal was $350,000. they “offered” me $3000 one time payment and I still have to pay the $6000+ a year in taxes on the 10 acres I can NO LONGER FARM, sell, or develop. And my house is within the BLAST ZONE making it WORTHLESS. So they can profit $3.5MILLION a DAY. I guess if you add up the lies about increased property value, what the pipeliars are offering in restitution. The fudged numbers about jobs creation and pollution. Maybe we should NOT believe a word out of their mouths. Or maybe we should start hanging pipeline and ferc people from those maple trees for TREASON.

    • http://williamahuston.blogspot.com/ William Huston

      I agree with Bruce here. This is not hyperbole. Williams/Cabot/FERC and a few federal judges have combined to SUBVERT the laws of this land, while placing many lives in danger, for their own personal profit. This is TREASON by definition.

      I am not a fan of prisons, but if prisons should exist, then I believe it should be for people who do such grave harms.

      I am not a fan of guns– I do not approve of their use ever– however, if there is a legitimate reasons to use personal firearms, that would be in self-defense.

      This is self defense. Everything we value is at risk. Air, Water, Food, Aesthetic Beauty, Peace and Quiet, Democracy. What else is there?

      The stakes are high, and people are understanding this viscerally, and digging in. Helpers are coming from all over! This is a beautiful thing!

      This feels to me like the Second American Revolution, and a “Constitution”-al convention in the woods. North Harford may be our Walden’s Pond. I like the fact that it is happening in Pennsylvania. Fitting. People from Franklin NY are there also, so that’s nice :) I feel there are powerful metaphysics at play here, which is good.

      Because I cannot see how we can win against the most powerful industry in the planet in purely the physical realms. We would certainly lose! Or the odds are not in our favor….

      But we ARE WINNING! Again and again we are gaining ground. I am quite encouraged and hopeful tonight.

    • Brian Gabriel Comeaux

      I grew up within 150′ of not one, but two underground natural gas pipelines across our family property. A pipeline map of south Louisiana where I live and grew up looks like a plate of spaghetti. There are pipelines here criss crossing residential developments and nearly every farm has at least one. The real estate market her is just fine-in fact, many believe it is overheated.

  • John Henders

    Cut the trees & arrest any protesters on the ROW !

    • Dan Rinker

      Says a concerned stock-holder.

    • Fracked

      and who do you serve?

  • wvought
    • disqus_4QILcqf28h

      Sorry, I was prepared to listen to a five minute plea by the owners,
      but not fifty-nine. The Gettysburg Address is only four minutes long.

  • vrlc58

    Where’s Ammon now?

  • Tony

    Facing the same thing with the Nexus pipeline going through Ohio. And the real kicker here is the gas is going to Canada. Eminent domain huh?????

    • prothopectore

      the fleecing of America.
      brought to us by the career psychopaths and sociopaths in political office and The Corporations strangle hold over this nation and those yesmen and yeswomen that are supposed to regulate and enforce the environmental laws that were supposed to protect the citizens of Pennsylvania.
      it’s a corporate free for all.
      also known as corporate freeloading.

      • Dutchman61

        Question: Who owns the corporations?

        Answer: 80% of corporate stock is owned by US citizens threw direct ownership (investments, 401k’s) and indirect through pension funds etc.

        • prothopectore

          and how many of those stock owners have any clout in what said corporation does?
          so your tryin to tell me that the share holders of Monsanto, british petroleum, Halliburton, KBR, boeing, Raytheon, etc. are responsible for a companies corporate decisions?
          what about the lawyers? they write the rules, not the share holders. and the CEO’s and the board members….those are the ones making the really bad decisions, not the share holders.
          and most of the stock holders have portfolios created by hired financial investors. they don’t even personally go to the share holder meetings! ;)

    • floridanativee

      That is not what they say on their website. “”"”The project will include receipt point interconnects with the Kensington Processing Plant, Texas Eastern Transmission, LP, and Tennessee Gas Pipeline Company, L.L.C. in the Appalachian Basin, and delivery point interconnects with DTE Gas Company and Consumers Energy in Michigan, and with the Enbridge Tecumseh storage facility and the Union Gas Limited Dawn Hub. Additional delivery points across the NEXUS path will be added as necessary based upon sufficient shipper “”"”"” http://www.spectraenergy.com/Operations/New-Projects-and-Our-Process/New-Projects-in-US/NEXUS-Gas-Transmission/

      • Tony

        Your link shows that is it going right into Ontario. Unless you thought I was implying that ALL the gas was going to Canada, which is possible because I didn’t state that it wasn’t.
        The paperwork I have from Nexus explains that much of the gas is going to go to Canada and that other delivery points may be expanded if needed. They don’t give a volume or % of gas going to where.
        I don’t think any of it should go to Canada but, what do I know?

        • floridanativee

          Yes, I though you meant it all was going there. It has a whole lot of other hookups also. I have no problem with us selling gas to Canada. They sell us 2 1/2 million bls of oil a day. We are their biggest trading partner and we sell them a whole lot of goods of all types. We are in NAFTA with them

        • Brian Gabriel Comeaux

          Only a portion of the gas is going to make it to Canada and a good bit of that is going to come right back to the United States. Pipeline systems are linked in many places along the border. Pipeline is nothing but an underground highway.

    • Brian Gabriel Comeaux

      Not true.

  • floridanativee

    Why don’t the land owners really make them mad and not cash those big checks.

    • LSDial

      they have sign a sales document for the land,the pipeline company would be delighted if they never cashed the check.

      • floridanativee

        I said that tongue in cheek.

    • Bruce Baxter

      Hey mindless florida native, the fat check they offered to condemn my 10 acre Christmas tree farm of 30+ years with a 3000sq ft Energy Star home tax assessed at $350,000 was for $3000 one time payment, so Williams corporation can prosper $3.5MILLION a DAY. while im stuck paying $6000 per year property taxes on a home in the BLAST ZONE and land that I can NO LONGER FARM, sell or develop. But Williams lead people (chris Stockton,patrick mcclusky) told me from the start that I would receive TRIPLE my land/home value and that the pipe would INCREASE my properties value. bunch of LIARS

      • floridanativee

        Did you fight them in court for an equitable value?

        • Bruce Baxter

          I received a certified letter from judges norman mordue and randall treece of the ny district court telling me I have a court date and MANDATORY mediation. When I showed up they told me: Oh we sent you a letter that said you didn’t need to come. we ruled against you, and GAVE your land to the gas company using something called, Partial Summary Judgement, which means the gas company has won before in court so we just gave them this one.(me and about 50 other landowners) ZERO compensation. So the way I look at it: its like telling OJ Simpson you got away with murder once, now you have a license to KILL whenever you want. NO 5th amendment court date or illegal use pertaining to EMINENT DOMAIN for corporations. I have been trying to get a court date for 3 years to NO AVAIL. Closest I have come is the day after my original court date when constitution pipeline crews came to my land to do test bores and I told them to leave because they were trespassing on MY land, and the 10 NY state troopers threatened ME with arrest for trespassing on MY OWN LAND. If you live in Florida, you had better look into Dimmock, PA., Porter Ranch California, Oklahoma fracking earthquakes where the insurance companies don’t pay the damages you paid for, look up fracking accidents in the US, Pipeline accidents in the US ( 1 a day in excess of $100,000), the Halliburton loophole. This shit does NOT get reported in the NEWS. And its COMING YOUR WAY. Once the ground water gets polluted, your land is worthless. Anything within 2 miles of a 30 inch pipeline is going to lose its value until it blows up and then it wont be there. AND the taxpayers are on the hook for the cleanup. Im not against what they want, I just don’t think its right that I paid for my house, land ,business, farm. They promised me I was getting triple my property value of $350.000 ($1.5 MILLION) then offered me $3000. And a bunch of suits come and take it away from me to give to a corporation to prosper $3.5 MILLION a DAY and leave ME with the tax bill. And they will blow smoke up your ass saying that its going to create jobs, yeah for a couple weeks during construction then how many workers are needed to watch a buried piece of rotting steel 2 feet under ground? NONE until it BLOWS UP, then its the taxpayer funded 1st responders

          • floridanativee

            This sounds unbelievable. Did you have a lawyer going into all of this? 3 times $350,000 isn’t $1.5 million.I suggest you go talk to a lawyer.

          • Bruce Baxter

            sorry, It was still over a million plus my loss of business/income. Did you ever try to sue a federal judge or a multi BILLION dollar industry that owns the POLITICIANS and judges. Who are ALL lawyers looking to help themselves and friends who are all lawyers. “our” government has been bought and paid for by the corporations and is CORRUPT. THEY ALL NEED TO BE HUNG FOR TREASON before its too late

  • Joseph Ferguson

    FERC is a joke. They just rubber stamp anything that crosses their desk. In Maryland Columbia gas is clear cutting a 15o ‘ swath through people’s land and also through a park just so they can pipe that gas to a LNG plant ins Southern MAryland and ship it to Europe so they can make 5X the profit.

    • prothopectore

      Regulatory Capture

      Regulatory Capture is a form of political corruption that occurs when a regulatory agency, created to act in the public interest, instead advances the commercial or special concerns of interest groups that dominate the industry or sector it is charged with regulating. Regulatory capture is a form of government failure; it creates an opening for firms to behave in ways injurious to the public (e.g., producing negative externalities). The agencies are called “captured agencies”.

      The FERC is what is known as a “captured agency”.

      The politicians in Harrisburg make the scientific decisions based on profit motives.

      • http://www.moonbattery.com Bodhisattva

        Oh, you mean how multiple federal agencies are now used to advance phoney Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change Alarmism?

        That “regulatory capture”, which has subverted NOAA, NASA and the EPA, among others?

    • Dutchman61

      Maryland sets the right of way requirements, not FERC. Most states are using 70 to 100 feet as the width for even 44 inch lines.

      • Brian Gabriel Comeaux

        A 44′ line will not use a 70′ to 100′ permanent right of way except in very specific locations that might require it. Ninety five percent plus of a 44′ line will have a 50′ permanent right of way.

    • http://www.moonbattery.com Bodhisattva

      Hey, we need to do something to balance our trade and other deficits.

      Plus we need to get Europe off the Russian teat.

  • drainagerelated

    The issue is how much power is taken away from a private landowner who may or may not have mineral rights. These landowners have no legal recourse in many instances, they ( oil and gas lobby) do have the most influential lobby’s at the state and Federal level. Sure there are many apologists who agree with oil and gas industry control but in the end these people have lost something which has been in their history for many years!

    • Dutchman61

      Where were you when the Supreme Court OK’d governments seizing land for private developers in the Kelo case in 2005?

  • cylde

    The pipeline will be under ground and it is just really an easement, in 10 years they will not rember where it is buried.

  • digitrack

    Elise — So thousands should suffer so that you don’t have a pipeline crossing your property? Doesn’t make sense to me. You are being selfish trying to deny people the natural gas they need. You live in a just you,you, world.

    • Fracked

      you do know this gas is targeted for OVERSEAS USE-the goal is to liquefy and send it to Japan-and then the price for all of this folks that hooked into natural gas? Time will tell.

      • LSDial

        isn’t it the American way to sell to the highest bidder. why would you want to force an American company into selling their product for less than they could get for it else where. If you made something would you want to be forced into selling it cheaper than you could in a different market.?

  • wildflower
  • mike

    Wow, where are the Oregon gun holders who want to protect land from the Federal Government? why aren’t they armed and going to protect the land of their fellow citizen from a Government who taken it to give to the gas and oil company to make the pipe line. Oh I forgot they wanted to get the western land away from the fed so they can sell it to the oil companies!!!

  • wildflower

    Check out 2008 Transco pipeline accident Appomattox Virginia, This can be your future!

    • LSDial

      yes that was a mess, did you see what happened after the failure. Transco rebuilt their houses, paid all of the medical bills and set up college funds for the kids. plus no one was killed.

      • Bruce Baxter

        aren’t they just great philanthropists

        • LSDial

          No, actually they are not. But they are responsible, they live up to their commitment to the community.

          • Bruce Baxter

            Keep sniffing the methane, its good for you

          • Bruce Baxter

            just like porter ranch 1000s of “upscale homes/people”out of their homes since October and it “might” be contained by spring. How about their property values after this. These people “might” get some compensation because they can “afford” to fight. The little people in poor neighborhoods just get “FUCKED”

  • BillA

    Why do they need to fall every tree in a 100 foot wide path ? The pipe is 30 inches in diameter. Is it needed or is it just for the ease of doing work for the pipe contractor ? Back when I was a kid the power utility put in a new underground line. The clear cut route was maybe 10 – 12 feet wide at best. Small trees were planted in place after the construction finished. I read about one landowner who had old growth oak and walnut in the path of a pipeline. Somehow the land takeover also let the pipeline clear the land and dispose of the wood. Well some of this 80 year old slow growth wood is worth a lot of money – probably worth more than the land for the pipeline

    • Brian Gabriel Comeaux

      The permanent right of way won’t be 100′. I imagine that it will be 50′ along 90% of the pipeline route. They need an extra temporary 50′ for the construction phase for moving equipment and stacking soil while they work. They segregate and replace top soil, by the way. Trees are kept off of the permanent right of way to allow quick and efficient access in case there is a problem and to allow visual observation from the air. Landowners are compensated for market worthy trees as well as for use of the land. From personal experience, I know that walnut trees are compensated nicely $$$.

  • Dutchman61

    I find it interesting that many who are supporting those resisting these pipelines never lifted a finger or raised a voice in protest when the government was free to redefine eminent domain as they saw fit, even seizing private land to give to a developer to make money. The Supreme Court ruled in Kelo vs. City of New London (2005) that the government could make virtually any claim and justify it. NPR very prominently supported the result as did the MSM’s, the Democrat party, and most of the activist organizations of the Left. Suddenly they are all against eminent domain of any type. Why the sudden change of heart?

    The pipeline companies will work with many people and they really do try to be flexible, but there is only so much you can do with a 36 inch pipe. I am sorry for the individuals involved if it damages their land, but the reality is the lines will be installed.

  • disqus_4QILcqf28h

    I find it very telling that no one wants to disclose the offers made
    for the right of way for the pipeline. The company does not want to
    say because they don’t want to seem cheap. The owners don’t want
    to say because they don’t want to be seen as greedy spoilers halting
    progress.

    It is hard to sympathize with either party, especially when the good
    from the pipeline is considered.

    • Dutchman61

      Actually the sales are posed in the county court houses in Pennsylvania. It is part of the public record. Pipeline companies rarely discuss it because it is a private transaction.

      • disqus_4QILcqf28h

        If you had read the account you would know it is an
        offer, not a sale.

    • Bruce Baxter

      I will tell you straight out. I was offered a 1 time payment of $3000 (less than 1/2 of 1 years taxes) to condemn my 10 acres of Christmas tree farm (30,000 trees) that I have farmed and paid taxes for over 30 years. Included in the deal is my 3000 sq ft newly renovated Energy star rated home 400 feet from the pipe (in the BLAST ZONE of 2 miles) So Williams/Cabot/Constitution pipeline can PROPER $3.5MILLION a DAY, while I pay the taxes on land that I can NOT FARM or sell. What “good” is there? PA people get polluted drinking water, and people within 2 miles of the pipe can get diminished property values so a CORPORATION can EXPORT gas. TELL ME, WHO IS BEING GREEDY?

  • Zen Dadio

    Pipelines are out of sight or out of mind and quiet. For me…NIMBY definitely. 30″ pipe at half pressure is a lot of combustion. Cheap natural gas from PA for the world market is a good thing. Better, cheaper and easier to move than coal. Mountain ROW make a super taboggon trail is best I can say about its benefits. Like to warm the hot tub? Better than wood. Want to play, you gotta pay.

  • Tom Coppers

    Fracking Fluid has caused poisoned ground water flowing through new
    man made cracks in all directions. Up
    to the surface, down and sideways. Coming up in springs, creeks,
    streams and lakes. Gas coming into families’ homes through the faucets
    from their now poisoned wells. Farms without clean water for
    their animals. Families needing to truck in water to bath, drink and
    use. Flowing hazardous chemicals(fracking fluid) poisoning land
    throughout how many miles of ground and surface water from the Gas Well
    Site? Millions of acres of NEW TOXIC WASTE LAND in AMERICA approved by
    corrupt politicians and bribed EPA workers is being created. Lets see
    them drink the contaminated, poisoned water caused by injecting
    hazardous chemicals into the ground. Where are all the Going Green
    People as these millions of acres are being contaminated forever. It
    cannot be cleaned up. The earth and the water flowing through it in
    contact with these hazardous chemicals from 1 foot to 20000 feet down
    will be poisoned forever. The cost of cleaning earth and minerals in
    this amount would be more than can be imagined. Many of the birds, fish
    and animals that consume this water, depending on the amount of
    hazardous chemicals leaked into the pond or stream they drink from, will
    die
    quickly or slowly. Right now Openly in America clean land is being
    poisoned while the Government Regulators, Politicians and citizens
    watch. The current administration said, regarding the Gulf of Mexico
    spill, that non-enforcement of drilling rules was a problem for decades.
    History seems to be repeating itself in the name of greed. All while
    clean, long existing alternatives for energy are ignored or prevented
    from being used. WHY IS DESTROYING AQUIFERS and CLEAN LAND and WATER and
    AIR OK in AMERICA? Are they horizontally drilling under your family’s
    home now to take the natural gas and poison your well water/ground
    water? They can drill from two miles and further away to directly
    underneath your home to poison your family’s well water if your states’
    politicians have voted to allow it…………..PS.-Is the Fracking
    causing EARTHQUAKES? Pumping billions of barrels of Toxic Fluids UNDER
    MASSIVE PRESSURE INTO the GROUND. Could it be figured this may be
    a problem for geology/earthquakes? Also, once the
    natural
    gas is sold overseas and almost
    all the ground water in North Carolina is poisoned, then the residents
    will be dependent on buying water at any price forever to stay alive. Is
    selling drinkable water the hidden agenda? If you live for another 30
    years, you will see the wasteland NC will become. The toxic soup
    springing up from under our feet could happen with any step we take. The
    Aquifers can flow together for hundreds or thousands of miles. It would
    be too late then. North Carolina is not new to allowing industry to
    destroy former clean natural resources. The COASTAL FISHING INDUSTRY WAS
    KILLED after NC permitted 3800 massive open-pit hog waste lagoons
    contaminating the state’s drinking water, polluting its air and streams
    and causing open sores and deformed fish and crabs. The runoff from 19
    million tons of hog waste produced annually in Eastern North Carolina
    from the hog factories has polluted Albemarle Sound, the largest
    freshwater sound in the country, and adjacent
    Pamlico Sound, the largest enclosed saltwater sound. Would you eat
    seafood with open sores and deformations? Also causing Red Tide and
    Pfiesteria. So, they have polluted the large sounds on the coast for
    decades and now they want to poison the Aquifers in North Carolina and
    water in nearby states that share the same ground water? This can
    be stopped. Please call your representatives. The internet can show you
    how many vast communities have poisoned water from Fracking. It’s
    documented. Now they have no clean water. So again, what price will they be charging citizens for clean water to stay alive? …… Sad to read the extent corporate gas company bribing of Pennsylvania state politicians and judges is threatening private family homes and livelihoods.

    • John Henders

      WOW! What BS you spread!

      • Tom Coppers

        WOW! What BS you are!

  • Terrance Wachtl

    Why can,t they just directional bore the land and save the trees

  • Barry Rose

    REPUBLICON FUCKING THIEVES should be eliminated as they TRESPASS. If it were my land I would be shooting their worthless asses as I would defend my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS to the fullest. Vivala revolution against republicon mother fuckingasshole terrorists

  • John_B

    Yeah but they say nothing about actual acreage needed for the pipeline slice through the land compared to the total acreage and dimension of the land with the trees on it. Or how many trees felled compared to the total amount of trees… What percentage? That THEY the environmentally concerned leave this out of their arguments means the spacial revelations would show to be minuscule and unnote worthy. So we’re looking at a pseudo environmental concern when the real concern is to block natural gas delivery or reduced transportation costs of it. This is something someone else wants , not the land owners… Someone else with lots of money… Facts and figures and dimensions please.. Oh well. too late.

    • Fracked

      are you related to Sara Palin?

  • Barry Rose

    Corporate CEO’s are the “Walking Dead” You have to kill them twice. Republicons are the slaves to them, and as that goes, they’ve sold us all out because they were COWARDS IN NUMBERS.

  • K2ken

    So are the people of the Oregon take over going to stop this “illegal” theft of land?

    • John Henders

      They may not face jail up there but did they win?

  • c_chandler

    it seems the business of maple syrup and other should remain. the govt (obama muslim) has allowed the constitution and people to be further diminished. the courts arepacked with corrupt judges and lawyers.

  • Frederick Douglass

    Why do they need more than a 10 foot swath to put in the pipeline?

  • elise

    According to Harry Alexander of Sunoco (as he testified during our eminent domain hearing), PA uses an average of 22000 barrels of propane per day. The Sunoco Mariner 1 already has a capacity of about 70,000 bpd and the Mariners 2 and 3 would increase that capacity to over 700,000 bpd. One INEOS cargo ship can carry abt 175,000 barrels per trip to Europe. Don’t take my word for it: In this video INEOS speaks about the nature of this enormous export project themselves. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P7KE7c5qTHU

    Use if eminent domain for projects like this is an abuse of constutional rights.

  • LSDial

    The Constitution Natural Gas Pipeline is to transport Natural Gas produced in Pennsylvania to north east US markets. Pipeline right of ways normally take a path of 100-200 feet of easement. During the construction process the work area may be a good bit wider. After construction the ground surface is returned as nearly as possible to the previous contours, less the trees. If you were growing trees for a profit on this 200 foot wide area, it is true that that production will be lost, but not the access to that land.
    Some people on this string have claimed that the Gas is for export, that is not what the Constitution web site says. so someone is mis-informed.

  • http://www.moonbattery.com Bodhisattva

    A federal judge in Scranton ruled in March 2014 that a portion of Holleran’s land should be condemned under eminent domain, allowing the pipeline company to move ahead with its plans for construction.

    and

    In the last seven years, the family has been operating a commercial maple syrup operation from the trees on the land, and they say the tree felling would destroy the equipment set up for this year’s harvest at a time of year when the sap is flowing from the trees.

    So they put out this equipment, which they could bring back in I suspect, before the trees are felled, knowing that the trees were likely going to be felled.

    I want to know how much she was offered and how much total land she has. Is this 23 acres a significant portion of her land, or not? Was the offer of compensation reasonable, or not? Will trees be allowed to grow again on the land once the pipes are in, or not?

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