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Confusion Fueling Oklahoma Outcry Over EPA’s ‘Waters of the United States’ Rule

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Logan Layden / StateImpact Oklahoma

Mason Bolay climbs into the cab of a tractor on his family's farm near Perry, Okla.

Oklahoma Congressman Jim Bridenstine calls it a power grab by an imperial president. U.S. Representative Frank Lucas says it would trigger an onslaught of additional red tape for famers and ranchers in Oklahoma.

That kind of hyperbole is expected anytime President Barack Obama’s U.S. Environmental Protection Agency does, well, anything. But the changes being proposed to the way bodies of water are classified are confusing.

The so-called ‘Waters of the United States’ designation is the federal government’s attempt to define which bodies of water qualify for protection under the Clean Water Act. The EPA is trying to tweak that definition. And it’s got farmers like Mason Bolay worried.

“My great, great grandpa made the land run in 1893 and we still farm the same farm they originally staked about five miles south of here,” Bolay says as he gestures toward a dry streambed at the bottom of a hill behind his house. “We’re standing here on top of a hill, but yet, there’s a waterway not 20 feet from us that runs water when it rains. It runs into a pond. It then dumps into the terrace that goes down to the next pond that dumps into the creek.”

‘No Less Fuzzy’

The Bolays have transformed this land over the generations, dug ponds, built barns, fences, houses — all without federal permission. But Mason thinks the proposed ‘Waters of the U.S.’ rule could change that.

J.D. Strong, executive director of the Oklahoma Water Resources Board.

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J.D. Strong, executive director of the Oklahoma Water Resources Board.

When J.D. Strong, director of Oklahoma’s Water Resources Board, reads the proposed rule, he says even dry ditches in Oklahoma could fall under federal control.

“It throws the door open for a lot more features to be considered ‘waters of the U.S.’ than there were in the mix before,” Strong says. “They’ve taken an already fuzzy line of jurisdiction and simply moved it from one place to another, but it’s no less fuzzy before we started this exercise.”

It’s never been entirely clear which waterways are ‘waters of the U.S.’ and get Clean Water Act protections. The current definition includes any waterway that, if polluted, would have a negative impact on interstate commerce. That includes:

“All the major rivers and streams, the significant ones, ones that are flowing pretty much year around and those sorts of things,” Strong says. “Those are clearly jurisdictional waters of the U.S., because they’re either traditionally navigable waters, or they’re significantly connected to those.”

Interconnected

But U.S. Supreme Court justices in 2001 and 2006 said that’s not a good enough test. That’s why the EPA is proposing a new one.

“The court said, ‘No, you should be looking at the relationship of waters to each other’, and to make a determination of whether the pollution or destruction of upstream waters would have an adverse effect on downstream waters,” Ken Kopocis with the EPA’s Water Office says.

Kopocis says the new rules take into account the interconnected nature of waterways. He says, for example, you can’t protect water in a river without fixing the pollution that comes in from its tributaries or adjacent wetlands.

“So there are two questions that need to be asked,” Kopocis says. “Are they related and connected to each other? And then secondly, would the pollution of the upstream water body effect — significantly affect the downstream water body?”

But EPA officials say farmers’ fears are unfounded and that the proposed rule actually includes fewer waterways than were covered prior to the Supreme Court rulings. For example, Kopocis says tributaries have always been covered by the Clean Water Act, that fact just hasn’t ever been spelled out in the rules.

“People are now wondering, ‘Oh, if the words are going to change, is it going to substantially change the meaning.’ And we actually — we don’t see it that way,” Kopocis says.

The public comment period ends on October 20. Kopocis expects the new EPA rule to be finalized next spring. And if history is any guide, Oklahoma and other states will likely sue to block it.


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  • Marc

    The EPA totally has mischaracterized Justice Kennedy’s comments. What he said was they had to build on a case by case a Nexus to interstate waters and source of pollution. Instead as usual the new McCarthy-ists at the EPA have tried to develop a global case on defective assumptions that all streams e.g. non-point source pollution contribute to the pollution of interstate waters. This is by no means a case-by-case as required by Justice Kennedy which would identify point sources and ensure that they are sufficient to cause their established limits in a downstream interstate waters to be exceeded. What the EPA fails to get is the limits that the Constitution has put on them. Like a spider spinning a web, they try to take allowed jurisdiction related to interstate commerce that is under federal jurisdiction and through a series of web like interdependent assumptions try to reach upstream literally to the clouds. The forget the 10th amendment and the fact it it the duty of the states to decide the amount of regulation and protection required at the state level. Just another McCarthy unwilling to be persuaded by the facts and off on a hunt for people to demonize.

    • Stephen Willis

      In reality, you have so-called “states rights” advocates such as Oklahoma attorney general Republican Scott Pruitt representing the corporate polluters when he sues EPA on behalf of the state arguing “federal over reach.” This guy is a corporate stooge, just like Republican governor Mary Fallin, working on behalf of corporate interests, 24/7.

      10th Amendment advocates argue against federal environmental laws and EPA on behalf of the oil & gas and coal industry without fully grasping what fools they look like. The original Tea Party founders were making a statement against corporate abuses and Wall Street bailouts, when Dick Armey and the Republican Party insiders came along to subvert the original intent of that movement.

      When you advocate on behalf of states rights, and the right of OG&E to pollute the Oklahoma atmosphere with impunity, you are arguing against your own interests and the interests of clean air and water. You are basically saying that the free market takes precedence over all other concerns, even if that means your mother breaths filthy polluted air and contracts lung cancer and dies. You are selling out your mother and Mother Earth, and you are an ignorant dumb ass for doing so. Chump!

      What a fool you are to argue for the rights of corporations to pollute our commons – our air and water upon which all life depends. Wake up and quit drinking the Tea Party cool-aid. You must be smarter than that.

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/tea-party-founder-slams-tea-party/

      • Marc

        I only see one fool here and that is you. You have listened to the wrong people and what is your background and experience that tells you they are right. What education do you have other than a general education taught with a stilted bias that has been introduced into the classroom by our left leaning liberals. Sorry I am a degreed engineer from one of Oklahoma’s best engineering schools, who is also licensed in the state of Oklahoma, by taking a test to prove I am not a fool. I a landowner and farmer and know better. I have experienced first hand the government over reach where the FSA and NCRS take the word of a person that has no agency or ownership in a tract of land I owned to allow for a false determination to be made of wetlands, during a period when no wetlands determination was called for and have been denied basic due process for me to appeal such a decision. Congress said I was exempt and yet they use any means to try to take over control of the land. Constitutional or unconstitutional makes no difference to them. Although I raise cows and have to deal with their dung, you are the one who is full of it. The EPA is now saying that they, working with the NCRS can determine what constitutes normal farming practices. They have written a whole series fo standard practices on everything from building a fence to cleaning out a ditch ( all written since ’08) in an effort to make it impossible to meet the Congress mandated exemption of “normal agricultural activities” from the Clean Water Act. Sorry Stephen but you are the fool for listening to the climate change idiots that a making mountains out of molehills and saying the sky is falling. I also took statistics and understand the meaning of something that is statistically insignificant and that is what most of the data is the so called climate scientist and the EPA are using to try to force their economy killing regulations down our throat. Son, I know exactly what I am talking about and you obviously don’t and if you don’t I will give you some advice my grandfather gave me. I went like this: “A wise old owl sat in an oak, the more he learned the less he spoke, the less he spoke the more he learned, so why can’t you be like that wise old bird.” enough said.

        • Stephen Willis

          You claim to be an educated professional, and that you were denied due process by the EPA. You have two things going against you here. Where and when did the EPA make a false determination impacting your land?

          You and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, American Petroleum Institute, Heartland Foundation, Fox News, and our corporate-sponsored global warming denying Senator Inhofe can all call “climate change” a hoax, but your days are numbered. Perhaps you worry about the methane produced by your cattle? Or the phosphates which run off your land into our rivers and streams? And you don’t want to face the facts of global warming? All you have to do to see who owns the Texas and Oklahoma legislative delegations who deny global warming is look at who funds their political campaigns. https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00005582

          The EPA is not alone in addressing it. The CIA and the Department of Defense have written extensively on the threat of catastrophic climate change on the availability of clean water for drinking and agriculture. It is certainly your right to stand with the dumb ass flat earthers, and stick you head in the sand. But many ranchers are looking at hosting wind farms to supplement their income in southwestern Oklahoma as their crops dry up from an extended drought.
          http://climateandsecurity.org/tag/department-of-defense/

          You just go ahead and ignore science as long as you can and see how effective that is in “making it all go away.”
          http://www.desmogblog.com/

          You sir, are a liar and a moron. Case closed.

        • Stephen Willis

          If anything, the EPA has not been aggressive enough in going after the corporate polluters. Where and when were you deprived of due process by the EPA? That should be simple enough to answer, if it is true.

          Our “states rights” advocates like Congressman Markwayne Mullin seem to think that means the right to defend our biggest air and water polluters, like Koch Industries and the major fracking operations such as XTO whose high pressure deep injection waste water wells are causing earthquakes here.

        • http://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma Joe Wertz

          No need for name-calling, Marc! Let’s try to stay civil in the comments, everyone. Lots of passion and knowledge among our commenters, and I hate babysitting.

          • Marc

            What and no comments about Stephen Willis calling me “and you are an ignorant dumb ass for doing so.” seems my “fool” comment in response is a bit mild, or is your role as a moderator just to attack those that disagree with your position. So much for unbiased forum for commenting on the issues. I won’t be back or respond further to your site.

          • http://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma Joe Wertz

            I didn’t see Stephen’s comment, Marc. Just meant it as a general comment to maintain civility.

          • Stephen Willis

            Since you claimed the EPA deprived you of due process, I immediately questioned your honesty because this sounds like a cookie-cutter argument put out by right wing talking heads at Fox News and the Koch-funded anti-government Tea Party members.

            So far, you haven’t said where and when you suffered these alleged EPA abuses. So, I guess you were pretending to be abused by the “jack booted federal thugs” so you could make a false political statement. Making false statements may be protected by the First Amendment, but it does not serve any of the goals of “free speech.”

      • http://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma Joe Wertz

        Stephen: Just noticed the “dumb ass” remark after I remarked to Marc below. Can we avoid name-calling here? We value all the comments on our site, but the back-and-forth name-calling can spiral out of control quickly.

        • Stephen Willis

          I generally try to stick to the facts since name calling doesn’t really add anything to an argument. Good point.

  • Marc

    Farmers know where the EPA is trying to go with this. They have been trying to eliminated the agricultural exemption for the Clean Water Act since it was passed.
    Now that they were able to get the “swampbuster” provision back into the farm bill they think they can shut down most farming.

  • NSEA International

    There is no such “Act” as the “Clean Water Act.” The true Act, which the USEPA and “all other so-called agencies of the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT,” is entitled Public Law 92-500 FEDERAL WATER POLLUTION ACT AMENDMENT OF 1972, enacted by United States Congress on October 18th, 1972. The “Truth” is, EVERY agency of the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, STATE OF GOVERNMENTS and everyone of their “political subdivisions” are operating IN CRIMINAL VIOLATION (Title 33, Sec. 1319(c)) of this Act and have been for over 40 years. See http://www.nsea.us

    The USEAP is NOT a federal government agency, it is in fact a private MUNICIPAL CORPORATION and an agency of the CROWN OF ENGLAND, as is also the UNITED STATES a MUNICIPAL CORPORATION, a subsidiary of the CITY OF LONDON MUNICIPAL CORPORATION charged with the administration of the VATICAN owned UNITED STATES WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT INDUSTRY, the largest industry in the world. The term “Clean Water Act” is a term of CONSTRUCTIVE FRAUD created by the SECRET SOCIETY, as defined by JFK and is a “continuing criminal enterprise” doing business as the UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE OF GOVERNMENTS and COUNTY OF and CITY OF GOVERNMENTS. They are ALL listed on DUN & BRADSTREET as private for-profit corporations.

    As stated in THE SECRET COVENANT of the GLOBAL ELITE, “An illusion it will be, so vast it will escape their perception.” (Black Nobility, Illuminati, Committee of 300) Just google “THE SECRET COVENANT.”

    Further, to ‘BLOW YOUR MINDS,” PUBLIC SEWERS HAVE BEEN UNLAWFUL SINCE 1985. See Title 33 Sec. 1251(a)(1).

    Now, regarding the term of the USEPA, “Waters of the United States,” there is NO SUCH TERM in any Act. Remember, there is NO SUCH THING AS A “CLEAN WATER ACT!!!” It is a term of FRAUDULENT CONSTRUCTION by the BAR and the CIVIL ENGINEERS holding offices in public service in gross treasonous violation of the Bill of Rights Amendment (1812) Article 13, which prohibited anyone having a “title of nobility” from holding office in “government.” You “citizens of the UNITED STATES” have been duped and lied to…and have swallowed the whole scam “hook, line and sinker,” heavy on the SINKER.

    And still further, you have been found as a victim to this crime perpetrated upon the American people…you have suffered harm from their toxic waters that you drink and shower in. Accordingly, you have a remedy of a $1,000,000.00 American National Security Bond that will enable all citizens of the UNITED STATES to be financially secure for the rest of their lives.

    If any of you are sick of these tyrannical organizations ruIning our lives, WAKE-UP and WISE-UP and START LEARNING HOW YOU CAN PROSECUTE THESE CRIMINAL BASTARDS!!! You are their masters, stop thinking and acting like their SLAVES….which is what you are if you tolerate this tyranny. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuing_Criminal_Enterprise

    Start educating yourself to the truth. Go to http://www.nsea.us and learn.

    NSEA International is a ministry for the world environment organized in 2007 to prosecute these government imposters.

    • Stephen Willis

      This is pure hog wash perpetrated by the Tenth Amendment conspiracy theorists. Wherever you see references to the Illuminati control of the New World Order, or the Vatican or London, or Chemtrails or David Icke’s Reptilian Conspiracy, you have stumbled into the world of bat shit crazy. http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/

      Unfortunately, this new “nullification movement” has gained traction in many red states including Arizona and Oklahoma. They include Tea Party candidates such as State Senator Josh Brecheen and U.S. Congressman Markwayne Mullin. They claim state exemptions to the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts.

      They would abolish the federal EPA and forty years of environmental protections if given half a chance. They don’t represent the people; they represent corporate polluters and especially those which deny global warming and climate change. Governor Mary Fallin and Attorney General Scott Pruitt are included among them.

      This pile of cow dung is an example of the degree to which anonymous so-called “states rights advocates” will go to try and undermine the sovereignty of the United States and our federal environmental and conservation laws.
      http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2014/03/arizona-senate-passes-anti-epa-pro-nullification-resolution/

  • NSEA International

    FYI!

    The Governor of Oklahoma has NOT adopted to enforce the public health and welfare law pertinent to the health and welfare of his constituency.

    The 92nd US Congress “mandated” that EVERY “State” adopt and enforce Public Law 92-500 Federal Water Pollution Act Amendment of 1972, Sec. 2 thru 13. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gpo.gov%2Ffdsys%2Fpkg%2FSTATUTE-86%2Fpdf%2FSTATUTE-86-Pg816.pdf&ei=yXgxVIqoNoeYyASStYDgBA&usg=AFQjCNF1zZ5p6hlQE8ikRMT_P6E4-hwarA&bvm=bv.76802529,d.aWw&cad=rja

    Or, just google “public law 92-500″ and download the pdf.

    You can do a word search (CTRL + f) for “waters of the United States” and find that in every instance the TRUE term is “navigable waters of the United States” and DOES NOT give USEPA “CONTROL,” but alternatively, charged them to “administer” the Act. The people control everything, NOT THE TYRANNICAL SO-CALLED “FEDERAL GOVERNMENT” or its “STATE OF” so-called “governments.”

    WAKE UP People!!! There is NO conspiracy their, but ONLY A CONSPIRACY to KILL, STEAL and DESTROY “America and all of its people.”

    You want to know how you can help? You CAN’T help until you have knowledge!!!
    God said, “my people parish for lack of knowledge.”

    Everyone of the courts are the gate keepers for the “continuing criminal enterprise” as defined by the SUPREME PONTIFF FRANCIS in his Apostolic Letter of July 11, 2013 that confirmed all members of the Roman Curia (all corporations in America and their employees) are a criminal enterprise, operating chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction, i.e. public sewers, which are attributed to over 1500 deaths in America “daily!!!”

    J.D. STRONG, Executive Director of the Oklahoma Water Resources Control Board is a “civil engineer” and has failed to comply with the mandated requirements of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act Amendment of 1972, Sec. 2 and section 510 State authority (duty) to adopt and enforce this public health law. He is a criminal committing violations of the very public health law that he is charged to administer adoption and enforcement of.

    If STRONG, and his predecessors had complied with public law 40 years ago, this attempted extortion of the people and their resources by this tyrannical non-federal so-called FEDERAL GOVERNMENT of the UNITED STATES MUNICIPAL CORPORATION acting as a legitimate “governing agency,” WOULD NOT be happening in Oklahoma!!!

    FYI… Accordingly to Public Law 92-500, Sec 2., and section 505(f), failure to adopt and enforce this law…or be operating in violation with it, is “unlawful” as of July 1, 1973. Consider below:

    Under 33USC1319(d), the civil penalties are $25,000 for EACH day of violation. (the “statutory” civil penalties to date for each person subject to this public health law equates to over $2.2 Billion dollars per person)

    Under 33USC1319(c), the criminal penalties start at $1,000.00 up to $1,000,000.00, and or up to 15 years in prison.

    Every person is operating in violation of a minimum of six (6) public health laws, 301, 302, 306, 307, 308, and 402(a). For that reason, the criminal penalties associated with a “continuing criminal enterprise” have been adopted by the Grand Jury to be applied. The penalties for being found to be a member of a continuing criminal enterprise is:

    $1,000,000.00 plus 20 years in prison (without chance of parole) for EACH violation.

    Accordingly, the total sentencing is a $6,000,000.00 fine PLUS 120 years “without a chance of parole.”

    If you think this is a joke, just do your own research. I have given you the links to the laws.

    If these farmers wish to stop this, there is ONLY ONE way to do it. They will NEVER win in the “so-called courts” of the CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!!!

    They only have ONE option, bring an ENVIRONMENTAL CLAIM against the “individual named” who are terrorizing them…otherwise, you are going to lose your farms just like many other farmers all across America are.

    Godspeed!

    • Stephen Willis

      National Standards Enforcement Agency (NSEA) International. Zero credibility – all federal fear mongering. This is the kind of inflammatory rhetoric that has led to federal employees being demonized as “jack booted thugs” who are coming for your guns. Some have been shot and killed by ignorant people who believed this crap.

      Many Christian dominionists, America’s “Taliban” believe this crap. And that they are going to overthrow the U.S. government and replace it with “God’s Law.” They would replace civil government with an anarcho-capitalist fascist state. “Anarcho” meaning there would be no regulation of corporate polluters. On the contrary, the corporations would completely run the show.

      If this wing nut has any credibility at all, he or she would use their real name and not allude to an organization that is a virtual hoax on any unsuspecting readers.

      Finally, this sounds like the Posse Comitatus movement’s “sovereign citizens” which included Timothy McVeigh who blew up the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Anti-environmental purveyors of hate and violence against the federal government. The Washington Monthly and Rachel Maddow did an excellent history on the background of those folks. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2014_04/cliven_bundy_and_the_posse_com050059.php

    • Stephen Willis

      Marc, perhaps you meant to say “her constituency” since Governor Mary Fallin is most certainly a female, as can be attested to by her husbands and her bodyguards.

      You are getting funnier by the post. LOL

  • Stephen Willis

    Notice how “Marc” went away without answering the questions about when and where he was allegedly deprived of due process by the Environmental Protection Agency.

    Then notice also how “NSEA International” just kind of popped up out of nowhere spewing the anti-environmental creed of the Tenth Amendment Center, and the far right wing Posse Comitatus / sovereign citizen’s movement.

    Interesting timing.

  • NSEA International

    Marc, there is no such “Act” as the “Clean Water Act.” The true Act, which
    the USEPA and “all other so-called agencies of the UNITED STATES
    GOVERNMENT,” is entitled Public Law 92-500 FEDERAL WATER POLLUTION ACT
    AMENDMENT OF 1972, enacted by United States Congress on October 18th,
    1972. The “Truth” is, EVERY agency of the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT,
    STATE OF GOVERNMENTS and everyone of their “political subdivisions” are
    operating IN CRIMINAL VIOLATION (Title 33, Sec. 1319(c)) of this Act and
    have been for over 40 years. See http://www.nsea.us

    • Stephen Willis

      LOL. Hi Marc! We really enjoy all of this fantasy material you’re providing for StateImpact NPR. Illumintati masonic creed. Nice try!

      Much of your self-directed pseudo-dialogue is very informative about your tactics, however misleading and dis-informative are your actual claims. You seem to be an advanced level misinformation specialist.

      I think you were counting on not finding anyone here to question your far right wing anti-semitic, anti-democratic propaganda. But, you never know who you will meet on the web, now do you? LOL

      Can you share more about the EPA’s false determination on your property? Either you can, or you can’t. What’s it going to be, pal? Because we are tiring of your cheap charade.

    • Stephen Willis

      The larger question remains: Why do you hate America? Why do you hate our federal clean air and water laws? Who do you think you represent?

      Do you really believe that Americans like having their clean air and water polluted so they can enjoy even higher rates of cancer and death? Or do you think that the polluting corporations should be able to externalize all of their costs of doing business, so they can realize the highest possible profits for their stockholders?

      Come on Marc, give us a clue as to what makes people like you tick. Are you an investment broker for fossil fuels? Or do you work for Charles and David Koch’s interests at Koch Industries? Or do you just enjoy making up this shit for everyone to enjoy?
      http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/08/30/covert-operations

  • NSEA International

    The term “waters of the United States” is NOT found in the Federal Water Pollution Control Act (aka Clean Water Act). The true term used in the federal public health law is “navigable waters of the United States,” NOT “waters of the United States,” which has an entirely different connotation than “navigable” waters of the United States. Likewise, there is no such act as the “Clean Water Act.” Any prosecution under such defined “Act” is null and void, nunc pro tunc, ab initio. The term “Clean Water Act” is a knowing perversion of the true name of Federal Water Pollution Control Act, which EVERY MEMBER OF THE US EPA IS OPERATING IN CRIMINAL VIOLATION of and have been now for over 40 years!!!

    What does this mean to me (you might ask)? It means that if you are a citizen of the United States or an American national, you have a $1,000,000.00 Bond coming for harm done you by the UNITED STATES WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT INDUSTRY impersonating the Federal United States Government.

    The USEPA is NOT a federal government agency, it is in fact a private
    MUNICIPAL CORPORATION and an agency of the CROWN OF ENGLAND, as is also the UNITED STATES a MUNICIPAL CORPORATION, a subsidiary of the CITY OF LONDON MUNICIPAL CORPORATION charged with the administration of the
    VATICAN owned UNITED STATES WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT INDUSTRY, the largest industry in the world. The term “Clean Water Act” is a term of
    CONSTRUCTIVE FRAUD created by the SECRET SOCIETY, as defined by JFK and is a “continuing criminal enterprise” doing business as the UNITED
    STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE OF GOVERNMENTS and COUNTY OF and CITY OF GOVERNMENTS. They are ALL listed on DUN & BRADSTREET as private for-profit corporations.

    As stated in THE SECRET COVENANT of the GLOBAL ELITE, “An illusion it will be, so vast it will escape their perception.” (Black Nobility, Illuminati, Committee of 300) Just google “THE SECRET COVENANT.”

    Further, to ‘BLOW YOUR MINDS,” PUBLIC SEWERS HAVE BEEN UNLAWFUL SINCE 1985. See Title 33 Sec. 1251(a)(1).

    Now,
    regarding the term of the USEPA, “Waters of the United States,” there
    is NO SUCH TERM in any Act. Remember, there is NO SUCH THING AS A
    “CLEAN WATER ACT!!!” It is a term of FRAUDULENT CONSTRUCTION by the BAR and the CIVIL ENGINEERS holding offices in public service in gross
    treasonous violation of the Bill of Rights Amendment (1812) Article 13,
    which prohibited anyone having a “title of nobility” from holding office
    in “government.” You “citizens of the UNITED STATES” have been duped
    and lied to…and have swallowed the whole scam “hook, line and sinker,”
    heavy on the SINKER.

    And still further, you have been found as a
    victim to this crime perpetrated upon the American people…you have
    suffered harm from their toxic waters that you drink and shower in.
    Accordingly, you have a remedy of a $1,000,000.00 American National
    Security Bond that will enable all citizens of the UNITED STATES to be
    financially secure for the rest of their lives.

    If any of you are
    sick of these tyrannical organizations ruining our lives, WAKE-UP and
    WISE-UP and START LEARNING HOW YOU CAN PROSECUTE THESE CRIMINAL
    BASTARDS!!! You are their masters, stop thinking and acting like their
    SLAVES….which is what you are if you tolerate this tyranny. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C

    Start educating yourself to the truth. Go to http://www.nsea.us and learn.

    NSEA International is a ministry for the world environment organized in 2007 to prosecute these government imposters.

  • Stephen Willis

    First came “Marc.”

    Then came “NSEA International.”

    Who will the next incarnation be? LOL

    Clearly, Marc and NSEA International are the same person and an attempted fraud on the readers of this discussion list. Otherwise they would identify themselves.

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

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