{"id":5137,"date":"2012-01-13T17:34:28","date_gmt":"2012-01-13T22:34:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/?p=5137"},"modified":"2012-02-13T15:43:37","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T20:43:37","slug":"qa-outgoing-stonyfield-ceo-on-the-organic-business-model-his-political-future-and-agent-orange","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/2012\/01\/13\/qa-outgoing-stonyfield-ceo-on-the-organic-business-model-his-political-future-and-agent-orange\/","title":{"rendered":"Q&#038;A:  Outgoing Stonyfield CEO on the Organic Business Model, His Political Future and Agent Orange"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_5143\"  class=\"wp-caption module image right\" style=\"max-width: 300px;\"><a class=\"fancybox\" title=\"For years, Gary Hirshberg has been a prominent public face of the organic food movement \" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/Gary_Cow1_DSC0302.jpg\" rel=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-5143\" title=\"Gary_Cow1(_DSC0302)\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/Gary_Cow1_DSC0302-300x199.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"199\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/Gary_Cow1_DSC0302-300x199.jpg 300w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/Gary_Cow1_DSC0302-620x411.jpg 620w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/Gary_Cow1_DSC0302-220x146.jpg 220w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p class=\"wp-media-credit\">Stonyfield<\/p><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">For years, Gary Hirshberg has been a prominent public face of the organic food movement<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Gary Hirshberg has spent half his life at the helm of Londonderry-based <a title=\"Stonyfield\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stonyfield.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Stonyfield<\/a>, growing the brand from a small dairy farm to the world&#8217;s top organic yogurt manufacturer, employing 470 people.*<\/p>\n<p>Now, after 28 years, Hirshberg&#8217;s stepping down from his position as CEO (or &#8220;CE-Yo,&#8221; as the position&#8217;s been dubbed at Stonyfield).<\/p>\n<p>StateImpact took the opportunity to talk with the well-known organic foods crusader about how the growing organic food market has changed, the challenges it faces, and his plans once he leaves his long-time post later this month.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>First off, what was the impetus for stepping down from the CEO position?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>Well, I think 28-and-a-half years in one job is a good run.\u00a0 It\u2019s a really good time for the company now.\u00a0 I think change is often healthy.\u00a0 I\u2019m not really leaving Stonyfield.\u00a0 I\u2019m moving into the Chairman\u2019s role, where I\u2019ll be frankly a lot more active on policy issues and pursuing a lot of the food, ag, and energy policy issues that we\u2019ve been speaking about for years, but now I\u2019ll be able to focus on them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>And what will that focus entail?<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5145\"  class=\"wp-caption module image left\" style=\"max-width: 300px;\"><a class=\"fancybox\" title=\"Planting genetically modified crops has been a controversial practice\" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4837267013_fb7ef2e610.jpg\" rel=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-5145\" title=\"CropDesign - Auf der Suche nach neuen Genen \/ Crop Design - The fine art of gene discovery\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4837267013_fb7ef2e610-300x199.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"199\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4837267013_fb7ef2e610-300x199.jpg 300w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4837267013_fb7ef2e610-220x146.jpg 220w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4837267013_fb7ef2e610.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p class=\"wp-media-credit\">BASF-The Chemical Company<\/p><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Hirshberg is one of the leading public figures voicing concerns about genetically modifying crops<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>I sit on a number of advisory boards on the national level, and then of course, there\u2019s some local issues as well.\u00a0 From the local side, I\u2019ve been engaged in helping to convert this very large farm over in Canterbury over to organics.\u00a0 I\u2019ve been helping with a number of issues with the Forest Society, working, for example, on <a title=\"Why The Northern Pass Project Matters\" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/tag\/northern-pass\/\" target=\"_blank\">Northern Pass<\/a>.\u00a0 At the national level, my main focus these days is trying to push for a labeling law for genetically engineered foods\u2026Our major trading partners, China, Russia, all of the EU, give consumers the right to know [if their foods are genetically modified].\u00a0 We just don\u2019t have that law here in the US, and I think it\u2019s high time for that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>Could you delve a bit more into your national roles, including your work as a presidential advisor?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A:\u00a0 <\/span>The president also appointed me as an adviser on trade.\u00a0 That is, to look at ways that the notions that Stonyfield has advanced&#8211;promoting organic and sustainable agriculture, more regional agriculture, and supporting fair trade and good ecological practices&#8211;[can] become part of the fabric of US trade policy.\u00a0 And to be perfectly honest, as I\u2019ve been running the company, sitting on a couple of these boards, it\u2019s been very difficult to put the kind of time in.\u00a0 I\u2019ve really been pulled in multiple directions.\u00a0 So by hiring Walt Freese [as Stonyfield CEO], and moving into the Chairman\u2019s role, I\u2019m opening up time to concentrate on these larger issues.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>And why is knowing whether food is genetically modified important?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\"> A: <\/span><div class=\"related-content alignright\"><h4 class=\"related-header\">Related<\/h4><div class=\"links\"><h5>Posts<\/h5><ul><li class=\"link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/2012\/01\/12\/stonyfield-co-founder-gary-hirshberg-stepping-down-as-ceo\/\">Stonyfield Co-Founder Gary Hirshberg Stepping Down As\u00a0CEO<\/a><\/li><li class=\"link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/2011\/08\/04\/six-ways-to-look-at-how-nh-does-%e2%80%94-and-doesnt-%e2%80%94-attract-economic-development\/\">Five Ways To Look At How NH Does \u2014 And Doesn\u2019t \u2014 Attract Economic Development<\/a><\/li><li class=\"link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/2011\/11\/29\/six-surprising-takeaways-from-the-2012-nh-business-outlook-survey\/\">Six Surprising Takeaways From The 2012 NH Business Outlook Survey<\/a><\/li><li class=\"link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/2011\/12\/29\/five-essential-trends-that-shaped-nhs-economy-in-2011\/\">Five Essential Trends That Shaped NH\u2019s Economy In\u00a02011<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/div><div class=\"topics\"><h5>Topics<\/h5><p class=\"topic\"><img class=\"alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/10\/1058204843_32496fe28c-60x60.jpg\" height=\"60\" width=\"60\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/topic\/new-hampshire-economy\/\">Your Guide To New Hampshire\u2019s Economy<\/a><\/p><\/div><\/div>The promises of GE foods have not really been delivered, but the problems have.\u00a0 What we\u2019ve seen since the introduction of genetically engineered foods in the mid-1990\u2019s is an explosion of hundreds of millions of pounds of herbicides now being used across this country.\u00a0 The net result of that is that we have an explosion of herbicide-tolerant weeds that are no longer affected.\u00a0 We\u2019ve been overusing these herbicides.\u00a0 So now what farmers are being forced to do is spread, literally, defoliants, like Agent Orange chemicals, like 2,4-D and Dicamba.\u00a0 So now we have over half the states in our country, as a result of this over use of genetically engineered crops, literally spreading the very toxin that has caused hundreds and hundreds of thousands of birth defects both here and in Vietnam and around the world.\u00a0 In fact, in late December, <a title=\"Dow Seeks Approval of GMO Corn Resistant to Agent Orange Component\" href=\"http:\/\/readersupportednews.org\/opinion2\/271-38\/9131-dow-seeks-approval-of-gm\" target=\"_blank\">Dow Chemical introduced a proposed corn that is now resistant to Agent Orange chemicals<\/a>.\u00a0 Which means if it goes through, we\u2019ll have corn spread around this country that allows the use of Agent Orange.\u00a0 I think we\u2019ve just gone a little too far down that road.\u00a0 But more importantly, the average consumer really does deserve the right to know and choose whether to be a part of that food system.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>How has Stonyfield as a business&#8211;and the larger organic foods market&#8211;changed since you started out?<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5154\"  class=\"wp-caption module image left\" style=\"max-width: 300px;\"><a class=\"fancybox\" title=\"Organic foods have grown from a niche market to a rapidly expanding economic sector\" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4691391882_549bfeb97a.jpg\" rel=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-5154\" title=\"Organic Strawberry\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4691391882_549bfeb97a-300x258.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"258\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4691391882_549bfeb97a-300x258.jpg 300w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4691391882_549bfeb97a-220x189.jpg 220w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4691391882_549bfeb97a.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p class=\"wp-media-credit\">geraldbrazell \/ Flickr<\/p><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Organic foods have grown from a niche market to a rapidly expanding economic sector<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>It\u2019s a funny question, and I\u2019m laughing, of course, because back when we started with seven cows in 1983, you couldn\u2019t use the words \u2018organic\u2019 and \u2018industry\u2019 in the same sentence.\u00a0 I often joke that we had a wonderful company back then, just no supply and no demand!\u00a0 Nobody knew what organic was, very few people were eating yogurt.\u00a0 Today, of course, we\u2019re a nearly $400 million company, one of the largest brands in America, and the largest organic yogurt brand in the world.\u00a0 But we\u2019re also a part of an industry that has just exploded.\u00a0 Organics is about a $30 billion industry across the US.\u00a0 It\u2019s been growing double-digits steadily now, for over a decade.\u00a0 In fact, organic consumption grew right through the recession.\u00a0 That means millions of jobs are out there now, and we\u2019re adding tens or hundreds of thousands each year.\u00a0 It\u2019s really one of the healthiest economic sectors in America, not just in terms of domestic production and consumption, but also in terms of balance in trade, where America\u2019s exporting a huge amount of organics now.\u00a0 So organic food in general is about five percent of US food, but there\u2019s no question it\u2019s well on its way to double-digits. And we believe, and folks in the industry believe that [the sector will grow] as more and more food scares come out.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>Describing this change from seven cows to the top organic yogurt brand in the world, what\u2019s key to moving up so dramatically and rapidly?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>I think our strength has been, first and foremost, we produced something back then, and still today, that really does taste better&#8230;We have extremely loyal customers who just simply don\u2019t buy anything else.\u00a0 On top of that, I think consumers, especially nowadays, with the focus on local and family farmers, are interested in food that\u2019s not just less bad for us, but actually <em>good<\/em> for us.\u00a0 Organic food is exactly that.\u00a0 It\u2019s free of toxins, it\u2019s proving to have higher antioxidants, and a wide variety of nutritional and health, as well as ecological, benefits.<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\">The main thing I think that we\u2019ve been able to do is prove it\u2019s possible to create a win-win-win kind of food system.\u00a0 Our farmers earn more money, they don\u2019t put toxins on the land or water, they improve the quality of their own farmscape.\u00a0 Consumers get more healthy food, which ultimately reduces their health care costs.\u00a0 It\u2019s obviously been very good for our employees.\u00a0 We\u2019ve added jobs every single year.\u00a0 In fact, we\u2019ve grown every single year of our existence.\u00a0 And in fact, our stockholders have done very well as well.\u00a0 This myth from the 20<sup>th<\/sup> century that there was somehow a tradeoff between doing green and making money, I think we\u2019re finally able to say, \u2018Let\u2019s put that one to rest.\u2019<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\">Stonyfield, as an example, has generated over $18 million to our bottom line from carbon footprint reductions in the last five years.\u00a0 That\u2019s 84 New Hampshire jobs that we\u2019ve been able to fund just by reducing our greenhouse gas output and reducing our waste &#8230; I also think that what we can really take away from this is that this is an example of the kind of commerce that we\u2019ll absolutely have to have to have a healthy American economy and global economy in the 21<sup>st<\/sup> century.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>How did greenhouse gas reduction fund those jobs?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>We\u2019ve created something at Stonyfield called our MAP program, our Mission Action Program.\u00a0 These are teams, cross-functional teams of employees that have attacked literally every aspect of our operation to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.\u00a0 So for instance, all of our yogurt that ships to the West Coast now goes out by train.\u00a0 It used to go by truck.\u00a0 Well, it turns out [shipping by train is] 1\/16 of the carbon footprint [of shipping by truck].\u00a0 And by the way, it\u2019s 1\/15 of the cost.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5155\"  class=\"wp-caption module image right\" style=\"max-width: 300px;\"><a class=\"fancybox\" title=\"Hirshberg says there's a direct link between cutting greenhouse gas emissions and creating jobs \" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/3184691497_4f2f8371c3.jpg\" rel=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-5155\" title=\"CarbonSense Balloon\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/3184691497_4f2f8371c3-300x210.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"210\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/3184691497_4f2f8371c3-300x210.jpg 300w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/3184691497_4f2f8371c3-220x154.jpg 220w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/3184691497_4f2f8371c3.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p class=\"wp-media-credit\">Antony Turner \/ Flickr<\/p><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Hirshberg says there&#39;s a direct link between cutting greenhouse gas emissions and creating jobs<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"answer\">&#8230;<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\">There\u2019s really been hundreds of examples: Taking the heat out of wastewater that leaves our plant, changing over our lighting, improving the efficiency of our equipment, segregating our yogurt waste and putting it into a bio-gas digester on our site that actually not only treats waste, but produces energy.\u00a0 The kinds of things that future generations are going to take for granted when we finally start to charge ourselves the real cost of energy and the real costs of the kinds of polluting practices of the past.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>What do you think is the biggest challenge now facing the organic market looking ahead?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>First and foremost, I think there\u2019s a lot of confusion among consumers about organic versus natural.\u00a0 And we\u2019ve really got to work harder at helping people understand, simply, what organic is.\u00a0 It\u2019s nothing mystical, it\u2019s not voo-doo.\u00a0 Simply put, it\u2019s agriculture without toxins.\u00a0 Agriculture without hormones and antibiotics and chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and otherwise.<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\">The other, and equally challenging problem, frankly, is supply.\u00a0 We\u2019ve had a difficult time keeping supply up with demand.\u00a0 As I mentioned before, organic has been growing well into the double-digits, every single year, even through the recession.\u00a0 And yet, it takes three years to convert a farm over from conventional to organic.\u00a0 You have to be able to make the commitment to the consumer that this land and this food is free of toxic chemicals.\u00a0 You have to wait three years.\u00a0 And so that lag-time has been very difficult.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5157\"  class=\"wp-caption module image left\" style=\"max-width: 264px;\"><a class=\"fancybox\" title=\"Cost is still a barrier to the growth of the organic foods industry\" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/6685345989_0d933d4084.jpg\" rel=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-5157\" title=\"&quot;Should Cost&quot; vs. &quot;Did Cost&quot;\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/6685345989_0d933d4084-300x340.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"264\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/6685345989_0d933d4084-300x340.jpg 300w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/6685345989_0d933d4084-220x249.jpg 220w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/6685345989_0d933d4084.jpg 441w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 264px) 100vw, 264px\" \/><\/a><p class=\"wp-media-credit\">Truthout.org \/ Flickr<\/p><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cost is still a barrier to the growth of the organic foods industry<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"answer\">[Higher prices for organic] is a supply and demand problem&#8230;For example, organic sugar used to cost 100 percent more than conventional.\u00a0 It now costs the same, and sometimes less than conventional.\u00a0 Because there\u2019s been more and more demand, we\u2019ve created more and more supply.\u00a0 We don\u2019t have any [federal] subsidies of organic food.\u00a0 If we can develop sound policy, where we level the playing field\u2014we\u2019re not seeking subsidies, by the way, in the organic world\u2014but if we get rid of subsidies of unproductive, or less productive practices, less sustainable practices, level that playing field, you can easily see that that price premium will go away, organic will be about the same cost as conventional, and then, I think\u2026you\u2019ll see it become a much, much greater percentage of the American mainstream.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>At a state level, there\u2019s been a lot of talk among New Hampshire legislators about changing the business environment, making it better, especially for larger businesses, which sometimes feel like they\u2019re carrying an out-sized corporate tax burden.\u00a0 What is your assessment of the business environment and if, or how, it could be made better?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>New Hampshire has a wonderful business environment.\u00a0 I\u2019m not just a 30-year manufacturer.\u00a0 I\u2019m a third generation manufacturer.\u00a0 My father and grandfather ran shoe factories here before this.\u00a0 But what has made the <a title=\"Your Guide To New Hampshire's Economy\" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/tag\/newhampshireeconomy\/\" target=\"_blank\">New Hampshire business environment<\/a> solid has been things that I don\u2019t think our current legislature is frankly, placing as much value on.\u00a0 Infrastructure, good roads, good bridges, the ability to quickly clean up after weather conditions.\u00a0 But also excellent education, well-trained folks in our local universities and community colleges\u2026I think many decisions that are being made are sending us down the wrong path in terms of the business environment.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5158\"  class=\"wp-caption module image right\" style=\"max-width: 219px;\"><a class=\"fancybox\" title=\"In Hirshberg's view, organics, energy, and the state budget are all tied together\" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4577359628_20661e606a.jpg\" rel=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-5158\" title=\"CFL-- medium to conserve energy\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4577359628_20661e606a-300x410.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"219\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4577359628_20661e606a-300x410.jpg 300w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4577359628_20661e606a-220x301.jpg 220w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4577359628_20661e606a.jpg 365w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 219px) 100vw, 219px\" \/><\/a><p class=\"wp-media-credit\">Bindaas Mandhavi<\/p><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">In Hirshberg&#39;s view, organics, energy, and the state budget are all tied together<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"answer\">The tax climate is good, of course.\u00a0 But I like to take a different view of this, and I think this is the way New Hampshire and the country have to think.\u00a0 I mentioned earlier, Stonyfield has generated $18 million dollars from carbon footprint reductions.\u00a0 If you look at that on a statewide level, we spend about $6 billion a year on energy.\u00a0 And everybody, I think knows most of that money leaves the state.\u00a0 We send it to Venezuela for coal for the Merrimack Station scrubber, we send our money out of state to the Middle East or elsewhere for oil and natural gas.\u00a0 And studies show that if we were to&#8230;focus on a comprehensive statewide conservation program similar to what Stonyfield has done, we would get a four year payback.\u00a0 In other words, if we concentrated on improving our housing stock, improving our buildings, municipal and state, but also our residential and commercial buildings, in year five, we would generate $1.6 billion that would be staying in the local economy.\u00a0 All the while, of course, creating jobs.\u00a0 So I really believe that our legislature, our policy makers, our citizenry need to take a different look.\u00a0 Not focusing on taxation, but really focusing on plugging the leaks.\u00a0 Stopping the export of money out of our state.\u00a0 Create more jobs locally, and keep those dollars in local circulation.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>What is the biggest challenge of running a large business in New Hampshire?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>The biggest challenge that we have had over the years has been finding the kind of professional talents that we need to compete.\u00a0 Keep in mind, as a consumer products company, we\u2019re selling nationally, we\u2019re even selling a little bit internationally.\u00a0 And so whether it\u2019s from the software or the dairy tech point of view, we\u2019re constantly needing to upgrade and train and develop our own people, but also attract high quality folks.\u00a0 And these are folks who come here, obviously, look to whether New Hampshire\u2019s a great place to raise a family or not, and it is.\u00a0 And that\u2019s been one of our great assets.\u00a0 But again, when you look at some of the challenges, for example, the excessive burdens of the property tax system, for example, it becomes a hurdle for folks.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>There\u2019s been a lot of speculation following your announcement about stepping down as Stonyfield CEO that maybe you might be considering a run for governor.\u00a0 Is that something that\u2019s on your radar?<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5160\"  class=\"wp-caption module image right\" style=\"max-width: 300px;\"><a class=\"fancybox\" title=\"Governor John Lynch won't be running for a fifth term...and Hirshberg says he won't campaign to be his replacement\" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4292775539_fb3f89edae.jpg\" rel=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-5160\" title=\"Governor John Lynch: State of the State 2010\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4292775539_fb3f89edae-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4292775539_fb3f89edae-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4292775539_fb3f89edae-220x165.jpg 220w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4292775539_fb3f89edae-138x103.jpg 138w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2012\/01\/4292775539_fb3f89edae.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p class=\"wp-media-credit\">NHPR<\/p><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Governor John Lynch won&#39;t be running for a fifth term...and Hirshberg says he won&#39;t campaign to be his replacement<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>You know, you never say never, but this time around, as you can tell, I\u2019ve got an awful lot of irons in the fire, and there\u2019s still the business of adequately transitioning my successor, who, after all, is following in the footsteps of someone who\u2019s been there 28 years.\u00a0 That\u2019s going to take some time.\u00a0 So I will say, quite clearly, not this time.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>Is there anything you\u2019d like to add?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A:\u00a0 <\/span>Here on the heels of the primary, which, let\u2019s face it, was a pretty negative affair.\u00a0 You didn\u2019t hear as much of the positive visions as I think New Hampshire-ites would like, more this kind of negativity and certainly we see the failure of partisan politics.\u00a0 We\u2019re not even having civil dialogue.\u00a0 We&#8217;re not even having <em>dialogue<\/em>.\u00a0 And I think that there is a lesson from Stonyfield and many other wonderful companies in the state, and that is that there\u2019s really something quite hopeful here.\u00a0 People say the <a title=\"Building A New Manufacturing Economy\" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/tag\/manufacturing\/\" target=\"_blank\">manufacturing<\/a> economy is dead.\u00a0 Far be it from dead.\u00a0 Take a look in Londonderry.\u00a0 Take a look around.\u00a0 You\u2019ll see the ingenuity, the hard work, the drive, the innovation is very, very strong.\u00a0 What we\u2019ve got to do is protect and take care of the state.<\/p>\n<p>*<em>Stonyfield actually employs 395 people in New Hampshire, with the remaining 75 people working at the Brown Cow brand facility in Antioch, California.<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Gary Hirshberg has spent half his life at the helm of Londonderry-based Stonyfield, growing the brand from a small dairy farm to the world&#8217;s top organic yogurt manufacturer, employing 470 people.* Now, after 28 years, Hirshberg&#8217;s stepping down from his position as CEO (or 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