{"id":3264,"date":"2011-11-15T15:40:29","date_gmt":"2011-11-15T20:40:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/?p=3264"},"modified":"2012-02-13T15:42:01","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T20:42:01","slug":"qa-whats-driving-unhs-high-student-debt-numbers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/2011\/11\/15\/qa-whats-driving-unhs-high-student-debt-numbers\/","title":{"rendered":"Q&#038;A: What&#8217;s Driving UNH&#8217;s High Student Debt Numbers?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_3268\"  class=\"wp-caption module image right\" style=\"max-width: 300px;\"><a class=\"fancybox\" title=\"New Hampshire leads the natin in average student debt\" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/11\/4543285540_b7b57240cb.jpg\" rel=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-3268\" title=\"Broken Up Over Money\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/11\/4543285540_b7b57240cb-300x222.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"222\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/11\/4543285540_b7b57240cb-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/11\/4543285540_b7b57240cb-220x163.jpg 220w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/11\/4543285540_b7b57240cb-138x103.jpg 138w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/11\/4543285540_b7b57240cb.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p class=\"wp-media-credit\">Truthout.org \/ Flickr<\/p><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">New Hampshire leads the nation in average student debt<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Starting last week, and continuing today, we&#8217;ve been focusing on a <a title=\"Student Debt and the Class of 2010\" href=\"http:\/\/projectonstudentdebt.org\/files\/pub\/classof2010.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">report<\/a> from the <a title=\"Project on Student Debt\" href=\"http:\/\/projectonstudentdebt.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Project on Student Debt<\/a>. Nationally, the average Class of 2010 student graduated with $25,250 in loans, while New Hampshire alumni carried student debt loads of \u00a0$31,048, on average.<\/p>\n<p>Although it&#8217;s clear that average student debt in New Hampshire is high, there are some differences from school to school.\u00a0 For example, <a title=\"University of New Hampshire\" href=\"http:\/\/unh.edu\" target=\"_blank\">University of New Hampshire<\/a> students attending the Durham campus graduated with the highest debt \u2014 an average of $32,323, <a title=\"Dartmouth College\" href=\"http:\/\/dartmouth.edu\" target=\"_blank\">Dartmouth<\/a> grads only carried less than $19,000 in loans.<img decoding=\"async\" title=\"More...\" src=\"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/wp-includes\/js\/tinymce\/plugins\/wordpress\/img\/trans.gif\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>As we noted in <a title=\"Q&amp;A: Explaining Dartmouth\u2019s (Relatively) Low Student Debt Load\" href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/vLbBHN\" target=\"_blank\">yesterday&#8217;s post about the relatively low debt load among recent Dartmouth alumni<\/a>, high levels of student debt can have both long- and short-term economic effects.\u00a0 Heavy loan burdens can prevent recent graduates from making major purchases, or even from moving out of their parents&#8217; houses.\u00a0 High levels of debt can also have a negative effect on long-term savings and economic stability.\u00a0 Then, of course, if young people can&#8217;t afford a New Hampshire education, the state risks its reputation as a leader in supplying workers for the knowledge-based economy.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>In a follow-up to yesterday&#8217;s Q&amp;A post with Dartmouth&#8217;s Dean of Admissions and Financial Aid, today, we&#8217;re talking with Mark Rubinstein, the University of New Hampshire&#8217;s Vice President for Student and Academic Services.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>The Class of 2010 from UNH Durham campus&#8211;they carry a lot of debt&#8230;Why is it, in your opinion, that the kids at UNH are needing so much financial aid to go to a state school?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>Well, keep in mind that the figures I think you\u2019re looking at, if they\u2019re blended for residents and non-residents, you\u2019re going to get a slightly different number than at an institution that serves primarily students from its own state.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>Sure, but&#8230;if they\u2019re measuring Iowa and Idaho and California and New Hampshire in the same way, New Hampshire still stands out.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_3269\" class=\"module image left mceTemp\" style=\"width: 221px;\"><a class=\"fancybox\" title=\"\" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/11\/RS24085__PAS6686.jpg\" rel=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-3269\" title=\"RS24085__PAS6686\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/11\/RS24085__PAS6686-300x407.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"221\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/11\/RS24085__PAS6686-300x407.jpg 300w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/11\/RS24085__PAS6686-620x841.jpg 620w, https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/11\/RS24085__PAS6686-220x298.jpg 220w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 221px) 100vw, 221px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-media-credit\">University of new Hampshire \/ UNH Vice President for Student and Academic Services Mark Rubinstein explains why student debt numbers\u00a0 are so high<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>Right. \u00a0No doubt about that.\u00a0 Higher education, particularly public higher education in New Hampshire, is extraordinarily expensive by standards in the nation and even in the region.\u00a0 No disagreement about that. \u00a0If you look at the federal student loan programs, particularly the Stafford loan program, given changes that were made in the borrowing limits a couple of years ago during the credit crisis, if a student is simply borrowing what the federal government guarantees over those four years, you\u2019re looking at $25,000. \u00a0There was a time when the limits were $2,000 less per year. \u00a0So in some respects, the federal government has&#8230;increased the likelihood students will be borrowing more from what had historically been considered advantageous programs for students.<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\">Now, additionally, you\u2019ve got parents who are paying for a portion of the education, and in some cases using Plus [federal] loans, you\u2019ve got students who are turning to the alternative loan market, the private loan market, to supplement.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>As far as your student makeup, if I were to look at this as a pie, do you know roughly what percentage would be, say, in the upper income brackets, as opposed to lower or middle?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>If we were to look at students with family incomes, adjusted gross incomes [AGI] under $60,000, that would\u2019ve been about 40 percent of our New Hampshire students last year, and would\u2019ve been about 30 percent of our students from outside of the state. \u00a0If we\u2019re talking about students, you know, between $60,001 and $100,000, about 20 percent of the non-resident students, and on the resident side, that group would have been about 25 percent.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>Since the economy collapsed a few years ago, have you had to cut back on your financial aid programs? \u00a0And by financial aid, I mean specifically things that help students to avoid loans, especially scholarships, grants, and to some extent, work-study?<\/p>\n<div class=\"module pull-quote right half\"><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Higher education, particularly public higher education in New Hampshire, is extraordinarily expensive by standards in the nation and even in the region.&#8221;<\/p>\n<h6>&#8211;Mark Rubinstein<\/h6>\n<p><\/div>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>No. \u00a0We\u2019ve actually spent more money in the last several years. \u00a0The trend has always been upward, and that has not abated in recent years&#8230;Over the last decade or so, our need-based grants, the ones that the university funds, have probably just about tripled, from\u2026the $10-$12 million range to almost $37 million last year, and over $40 million this year. \u00a0During that time, we\u2019ve also offered a merit-based program to attract and retain strong students. \u00a0That one has actually been relatively constant. \u00a0It\u2019s ranged between about $8 and $9 million over the last decade. \u00a0And although there are certainly motivations to want to increase that, our rationale for keeping that relatively constant has been to keep as much of the available funding in need-based programs as we could.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>Say I\u2019m just your kid from your average, middle class family, adjusted gross income of about $100,000 or so. If the federal government says I\u2019m qualified for $20,000 in aid between my federal loans and the work-study, and I look like a regular, not-too-needy person, I\u2019m probably not going to get need-based aid from UNH?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>If we look at NH residents last year who had AGI\u2019s between $80,000 and $100,000, and the average grant for&#8230;students in that band would\u2019ve been about $2,000. \u00a0If I look at students who were between $60,000 and $80,000 for their AGI, their average would\u2019ve been about $4,000&#8230;And as the family\u2019s income goes up, the university\u2019s support will decline.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>Why it is that the University of NH in particular skews so much higher not just than other state universities, but some private universities?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>There are a couple of factors there. \u00a0One of those is the population that we serve. And so we\u2019re going to have perhaps a different profile than other schools serve. \u00a0It\u2019s also the case that although the university has increased the amount of aid we\u2019ve put in need-based programs, given the relative paucity of state funding, we\u2019re limited in how far we can go in extending aid to students, because we risk not investing enough in the classroom experience, in the work of the faculty, the technology, the library, the other things that provide for the benefits that education is supposed to provide to students.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>What would a sufficient funding program for students look like?<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><div class=\"related-content alignleft\"><h4 class=\"related-header\">Related<\/h4><div class=\"links\"><h5>Posts<\/h5><ul><li class=\"link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/2011\/10\/19\/new-hampshire-ranks-46th-in-nation-for-student-loan-defaults\/\">New Hampshire Ranks 46th In Nation For Student Loan Defaults<\/a><\/li><li class=\"link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/2011\/11\/14\/qa-explaining-dartmouth%e2%80%99s-relatively-low-student-debt-load\/\">Q&amp;A: Explaining Dartmouth\u2019s (Relatively) Low Student Debt\u00a0Load<\/a><\/li><li class=\"link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/2011\/11\/11\/after-unh-plymouth-states-class-of-10-had-highest-average-student-debt\/\">After UNH, Plymouth State\u2019s Class of \u201910 Had Highest Average Student Debt<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/div><div class=\"topics\"><h5>Topics<\/h5><p class=\"topic\"><img class=\"alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/files\/2011\/07\/4373962579_ae5dac401e1-60x60.jpg\" height=\"60\" width=\"60\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/new-hampshire\/topic\/banking\/\">Less Bank For Your Buck: The Financial Industry<\/a><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>Well, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, <a title=\"Q&amp;A: Explaining Dartmouth\u2019s (Relatively) Low Student Debt Load\" href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/vLbBHN\" target=\"_blank\">I would say a lot like Dartmouth<\/a>. A couple of years back they introduced a program that students whose families had adjusted gross incomes of under $75,000 would be asked to incur\u2026no loans. \u00a0That they would meet full documented need with grant&#8230;And Dartmouth\u2019s ability and willingness to invest at that level in their students is probably a good model for what we would all aspire to, if we had the resources. \u00a0I think that our goal is to provide a good quality education to try and do it\u2026at as reasonable a cost as we\u2019re able to, and that we hope that students and their families are in a position to do that. \u00a0And we serve a large part of the state, first generation student population. \u00a0We are serving a lot of students whose families present more need than perhaps would\u2019ve been true five or ten years ago, as a result of the economy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>And what&#8230;six percent of [university] funding comes from the state?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>As a result of the most recent budget brought to us by the Legislature [last summer], about 6 percent of our operating budget this year will be state-funded.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>And how much, prior to this cut, was the state giving?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>Well, last year, the allocation to the University System was $100 million, of which the University [of New Hampshire\u2019s] share was about $62 million. \u00a0This year, with the cut of $48 million, the University\u2019s share is $32 million. \u00a0So we\u2019ve lost, essentially, $30 million. \u00a0A year ago, the state\u2019s contribution would\u2019ve been about 13 percent of our operating budget&#8230;For years, the support for the university system has been 50th among 50 states. \u00a0And at one point, the statistic was, a 40 percent increase in our funding would have moved us up to 49th. \u00a0With this year\u2019s cut, I haven\u2019t recalculated how large an increase we would need to catch up to Vermont.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>How much does state support affect what you can offer [for financial aid]?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>Well, most of the state\u2019s funding cut has actually been experienced, to this point, by staff. In terms of financial aid, last year we spent about $36 million, $36.5 million on need-based aid. \u00a0This year our estimate is we\u2019ll be somewhere around $40 million in need-based aid. \u00a0So we\u2019ve done what we\u2019ve been able to do to try to insulate students from the effect of the state\u2019s cut. \u00a0But over time, we\u2019ve got to develop a different business model. \u00a0And&#8230;I know that people will flinch at the notion of \u201cbusiness model\u201d in the context of higher education, but at least some people will, we\u2019ve got to find a way to channel resources to support our students, but also to sustain the work that our faculty and staff do for student education and student development.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>Is there anything you\u2019d like to add?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>Well, as I said, it\u2019s not a source of pride that our students are obligated to the loan amounts that they take out. \u00a0What has been a source of some pride, for me, in the 13 years that I\u2019ve been here, and I think the university collectively, we think this is something admirable: Our students typically have among the lowest default rates for student loans in the country. \u00a0And I realize that\u2019s trying to salvage something good out of something that\u2019s not great, you know, again, ideally, our students would not require loans, because the amount of support from the state would be sufficient, that it would help us keep the costs more in check. \u00a0But to the extent that our students use loans to pay for their education, they recognize the value, to be there, it\u2019s worthwhile for them, and the fact that they are able to repay their loans is both responsible on their part, but also a good indication that the education they\u2019ve received lends itself to the ability to make those payments.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Starting last week, and continuing today, we&#8217;ve been focusing on a report from the Project on Student Debt. 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