{"id":3555,"date":"2012-01-10T10:57:36","date_gmt":"2012-01-10T17:57:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/idaho\/?p=3555"},"modified":"2012-04-18T11:51:24","modified_gmt":"2012-04-18T17:51:24","slug":"idahos-former-chief-economist-critical-of-govs-budget-proposal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/idaho\/2012\/01\/10\/idahos-former-chief-economist-critical-of-govs-budget-proposal\/","title":{"rendered":"Idaho&#8217;s Former Chief Economist Critical of Gov&#8217;s Budget Proposal"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_3564\"  class=\"wp-caption module image right\" style=\"max-width: 192px;\"><a class=\"fancybox\" title=\"Mike Ferguson heads the Idaho Center for Fiscal Policy.\" href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/idaho\/files\/2012\/01\/1-9-Mike-Ferguson.jpg\" rel=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-3564\" title=\"Mike Ferguson\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/idaho\/files\/2012\/01\/1-9-Mike-Ferguson.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"192\" height=\"239\" \/><\/a><p class=\"wp-media-credit\">State of Idaho<\/p><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mike Ferguson heads the Idaho Center for Fiscal Policy.<\/p><\/div>\n<p><em>Mike Ferguson was Idaho&#8217;s chief economist for 26 years.\u00a0 He left the post in 2010, and heads the new Idaho Center for Fiscal Policy, a non-profit that analyzes state tax and budget policy.\u00a0 StateImpact asked Ferguson to review the governor&#8217;s budget proposal, and the policy priorities it contains.<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><strong><\/strong><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>This seems like a different budget than those we\u2019ve seen in recent years.\u00a0 Do you agree?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>Well, it has the beginning of a recovery. Instead of dealing with an ever-declining revenue stream, we\u2019re seeing revenues recover.\u00a0 I think one could potentially question how the resources are allocated within that budget.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q:\u00a0 <\/span>Right.\u00a0 We start to see what the governor\u2019s spending priorities are now that there\u2019s money to allocate, right? <!--more--><\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>\u00a0Correct.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>The $45 million set aside for tax cuts is arguably the biggest news out of the address.\u00a0 The governor isn\u2019t putting forward a plan for those cuts, but there is talk of bringing the top income tax rate down from 7.8 percent to 7.6 percent.\u00a0 As I understand it, that top rate is only paid by people who make $100 thousand or more in annual taxable income.\u00a0\u00a0 If the aim is job creation, how would this accomplish it?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>That\u2019s a very good question, and I\u2019m not sure I have an answer for you.\u00a0 What I can do is point to some past experience here in Idaho.\u00a0 In the decade of the 80s, we raised the corporate income tax, the individual income tax, the sales tax.\u00a0 Corporate went from, I believe, 6.5 percent to 8 percent over that decade.\u00a0 Individual went from a top rate of 7.5 to 8.2 and the sales tax went from 3 to 5 percent. \u00a0Now, one would think that tax increases of that kind would undermine our economic performance.\u00a0 Yet, in the following decade when those higher taxes were in place, we had some of the best economic performance of the state\u2019s history. Those taxes that were collected didn\u2019t go into a black hole.\u00a0 They were raised, basically, to fund education.\u00a0 Education kept pace.\u00a0 And I think it\u2019s really hard to overstate the importance of education in terms of its role in economic development.\u00a0 When companies are looking to locate, they\u2019re concerned about their families, their employees\u2019 families, and having a good education system is really important.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>Well, I think the governor would say \u2013 his budget allocates more than $30 million to fully fund the mandates from last session.\u00a0 That\u2019s not, I guess, satisfactory?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>I don\u2019t know what is satisfactory, but I\u2019ve been looking at the amount of money that\u2019s been going to education in Idaho, and you can\u2019t look at the raw dollar amounts.\u00a0 You have to look at it in relative terms.\u00a0 Again, if we go back to the period in the \u201880s and the \u201890s, we basically saw education growing in keeping with the overall budget.\u00a0 We saw some tax adjustments that were made to keep the funding levels for education up.\u00a0 And I\u2019m talking about the total amount of spending, not just the general fund.\u00a0 Over that period, the total amount of money that Idaho was committing to education was about 4.5 percent of Idaho\u2019s personal income.\u00a0 This is K-12.\u00a0 That\u2019s the amount we were investing in our children.<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\">Since 2000, we\u2019ve seen that amount drop by over 20 percent.\u00a0 It has gone from 4.4 percent, on average, from the &#8217;80s and &#8217;90s to 3.5 percent in today\u2019s terms.\u00a0 And if you look at the current executive budget, while there\u2019s a 2.5 percent increase in education funding from the general fund, overall funding is down .9 percent.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>Basically you\u2019re saying we can\u2019t look at this and say, &#8220;Okay, tax cuts will bring jobs, there\u2019s more money in education, that\u2019s a good thing.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>We have to look at what the tax dollars are collected for.\u00a0 People and businesses expect good quality public services.\u00a0 Good education for their children.\u00a0 Good training for their employees.\u00a0 We\u2019ve historically done that, and the data would seem to suggest that we\u2019re basically losing ground.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q:<\/span> I want to get back to the tax cuts, because I do think for a lot of people, that\u2019s going to be the big headline today.\u00a0 It\u2019s important to think, when you think about tax cuts, what else might be done with that foregone revenue.<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A:\u00a0<\/span> I think everybody is in agreement that the state needs economic development.\u00a0 Idaho had\u00a0been basically outperforming most states for much of the past several decades.\u00a0 That continued up until just before the Great Recession.\u00a0 Idaho went into it earlier than most states, declined farther than most states, and has been slower coming out of the recession than most states.\u00a0 That\u2019s not an economic ranking that we\u2019re accustomed to in Idaho.\u00a0 So the perception that we \u2013 we being collectively the state of Idaho \u2013 need to do something to try to help turn that around goes without saying.\u00a0 How you go about that is where, I think, the issues lie.<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><div class=\"related-content alignleft\"><h4 class=\"related-header\">Related<\/h4><div class=\"links\"><h5>Posts<\/h5><ul><li class=\"link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/idaho\/2012\/01\/09\/governor-otters-speech-focuses-on-jobs-education-and-a-leaner-future\/\">Governor Otter\u2019s Speech Focuses on Jobs, Education and a Leaner Future<\/a><\/li><li class=\"link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/idaho\/2011\/12\/13\/power-brokers-meet-five-of-idahos-most-influential-legislators\/\">Power Brokers: Meet Five of Idaho\u2019s Most Influential Legislators<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/div><div class=\"topics\"><h5>Topics<\/h5><p class=\"topic\"><img class=\"alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/idaho\/files\/2011\/12\/Statehouse-2011-044_SamanthaWright-60x60.jpg\" height=\"60\" width=\"60\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/idaho\/topic\/idaho-legislature\/\">Ultimate Guide on the Economy for Idaho\u2019s 2012 Legislative Session<\/a><\/p><p class=\"topic\"><img class=\"alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/idaho\/files\/2011\/08\/Statehouse-2011-063-60x60.jpg\" height=\"60\" width=\"60\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/stateimpact.npr.org\/idaho\/topic\/jfac\/\">Your Guide to JFAC (Joint Finance Appropriations Committee)<\/a><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\">The problem with using the tax structure to try to promote economic development is it\u2019s a very scattershot kind of approach.\u00a0 You end up with a lot of folks getting the benefit of tax reductions \u2013 which, of course, who wouldn\u2019t like that? \u2013 but it might not necessarily be of value to the state from the standpoint of promoting economic development.\u00a0 If you can have a spending program that does similar kinds of things \u2013 targeted economic development trying to leverage the needs of businesses and their employees so it\u2019s a win-win type of situation &#8212; you have a couple of things going on.<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\">The tax code, when tax incentives are created, they typically are done under the veil of secrecy associated with the taxes that we levy to raise revenue to fund government.\u00a0 When we have expenditure decisions, those are done in the light of day.\u00a0 Those are held out to public scrutiny, so everyone is able to see what happens in the aftermath, who\u2019s benefitting, and how it\u2019s working.\u00a0 It\u2019s very difficult to know that when we\u2019re talking about tax incentives.\u00a0 And here I\u2019m talking about targeted kinds of tax incentives.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q: <\/span>The governor is proposing putting a total of $60 million into the rainy day funds, which were significantly depleted over the last four years.\u00a0 This is a pretty remarkable amount to try to dedicate, after so many years of cutting.<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A:<\/span> It\u2019s certainly great that the state has a surplus rather than a deficit, but if you look at the way the state obtained the surplus, it was through underestimating revenues.\u00a0 And when you build your spending decisions \u2013 the provision of public services \u2013 on those underestimated revenues, you\u2019ve shorted someone: school kids, people with developmental disabilities, people who are at the bottom of the economic rung and don\u2019t have any other way to obtain healthcare. So there are consequences.\u00a0 I guess it does speak to priorities when we\u2019re in a situation where we\u2019ve had substantial cuts in these public services &#8212; rather than taking the available additional resources and putting them into restoring those things, we\u2019re going to sock them away.<\/p>\n<p class=\"question\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"question\">Q:\u00a0<\/span> Last year the nearly $100 million dollar cut in Medicaid funding was one of the primary issues throughout the session.\u00a0 In 2010, the Department of Health and Welfare had to cut nine state offices out of 29 due to budget cuts.\u00a0 And at the budget briefing, the Department of Health and Welfare wasn\u2019t really a focus.\u00a0 We\u2019ve heard the term \u201cnew normal&#8221; tossed around quite a bit.\u00a0 Is this one example of that new normal &#8212; that we\u2019re not going to talk\u00a0about putting money back into departments that have been cut severely over the last four years?<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><span class=\"abbr\" title=\"answer\">A: <\/span>The problem with sorting out the priorities in this budget are the things that are simply left hanging that we don\u2019t have any real, clear answer to.\u00a0 For example, $45 million of tax relief.\u00a0 Is that seed money that will grow? Are we talking about a phase-in that that\u2019s the first installment?\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 Can the state really afford to give up a significant chunk of its revenue stream? Again, I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 Is it one-time tax relief?\u00a0 Is it ongoing tax relief? \u00a0I mean these are big questions that we have no answers to.<\/p>\n<p class=\"answer\"><em>This interview has been edited and shortened.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Mike Ferguson was Idaho&#8217;s chief economist for 26 years.\u00a0 He left the post in 2010, and heads the new Idaho Center for Fiscal Policy, a non-profit that analyzes state tax and budget policy.\u00a0 StateImpact asked Ferguson to review the governor&#8217;s budget proposal, and the policy priorities it contains. 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